Is getting into discussions intimidating? Because last time I checked I never threatened anyone..I just raised questions and gave my opinion on issues. If that is intimidating then that's a bummer. If you can't handle criticism..you probably shouldn't be in business. Banning and blocking individuals who engage in conversations with you and raise legitimate questions regarding your business and business decisions shows your true colors and immaturity as a business owner and a company.
Devin, yes we have partnered with Eric Muñiz to present shows at the venue. I reached out to him after we first bought the place, and let him know that as business owners, we wouldn't be offended or hold a grudge if he outbid us on a show, and that if he secured a show that he felt the venue would be the best place to host the show, we would be willing to rent the building to him for the night or work out another agreement. Since then, we've put on about 6-8 shows with Eric, and we'd be happy to do it again. We are happy to entertain any promoter's request to rent the venue for an evening or work out some sort of door split.
Having said that, you don't need to worry about the quality of our upcoming shows, since you're still blacklisted. Nobody is allowed to intimidate other patrons or my wife, online or otherwise, and then expect to still be granted access to our establshment.
Andy, I am sensitive to the comment that I seem to be condescending. Snarky is my default mode, which is why I think The Onion is America's finest news source and why I enjoy reading Josh Gross's articles :-) Allow me to give a little context:
It's hard to imagine another service-oriented business that gets such vehement attacks from the customers who willingly receive services from the business. Let's assume you run a dentist's office, and the Harris family is one of your regular patients. Every6 months, all six of them come into your office and get all their dental needs taken care of, but in the interim, the Harris family goes online to Yelp, Angieslist, your facebook page, the local newspaper's editorial page and rails on your practice, saying things like: close your practice, you effing idiot, or, you have no idea what you're doing when you clean my teeth, I hate what you've done to your office, it's all gone downhill since you brought in a new receptionist, etc. But then, after another six months, the Harris family strolls back into your office, all smiles, enjoying the service you provide for them.
This is pretty much the experience we've had with a few of our detractors, except that we don't have to wait six months for them to come back, we see them the next Thursday, when they come back to see another show that we've provided to them through our mom + pop service to the community. They walk past us, averting eye contact, pay their $14, and then have a great time listening to their favorite bands. It's kinda mind-blowing, so maybe you can excuse our exasperation after two years of doing this.
Regarding our belief that we're making good decisions, it's more like we feel like we won the idaho state lottery. With liquor licenses running $150K in boise, we'd been wracking our brains trying to find a way to keep the doors open, all the while knowing we would never be able to get funding for a license, which is the only way a music venue can stay open. When this opportunity came up to lease a building in caldwell with an owner who was willing to transfer his license to us in the lease for free, it was a dream come true for us, an answer to our prayers (really), and a way for us to keep bringing music to the treasure valley.
To those who think that the neighborhood around the new building is a cesspool or a war zone, of course we checked out the area before we made the decision to move the business, sign a lease and put down a sizeable deposit. The only thing we noticed about the area was that it is predominantly hispanic. If that constitutes a cesspool to you, I can frankly say you are not welcome at the venue. My 'affinity' for the hispanic culture runs a little bit deeper than you might expect from a guy named Johann Claus, since some of the best years of my life were spent in latin america. If you really believe that, then I really don't need you frequenting my business.
Thanks for reading this far into the comment chain. Josh's article has given me a forum to explain what went into this decision in fuller detail than would be possible otherwise.
The move won't be that bad. In fact, I think it'll be good. For years, I've drove from the nampa/caldwell area all the way to downtown boise for shows. Some shows had poor turnouts, but they were still worth the drive and the money to get in. And as for the "bad neighborhood", I think we won't have that many problems. The ghetto neighborhoods in Idaho are exagerated. It's Caldwell we're talking about here... not Compton. And if the bands are good enough, people will show up. Whether from Boise or meridian or Nampa or Caldwell. Good luck to the new venue!
Well said @andy.
It seems that The Venue is very confident and proud of themselves and the decisions they have made. Good for them. However, justifying the move to Caldwell with condescending remarks such as "If you're not 'hardcore' enough to go to a show in caldwell, have fun elsewhere." commands little respect from someone such as myself, who spent the last 11 years paying for shows at The Venue. (I have also attended multiple shows in Chicago…outside of the Loop.)
Yes, the owners and staff of The Venue work very hard to bring enjoyment to people in the area, but that does not make their decisions infallible and immune to criticism. Whether The Venue realizes it or not, this is the attitude they portray. Discontent with the way the owners of The Venue have run their business should not be met with scoffing disregard and condescencion….remarks about 'cultural affinity' and how well traveled the owners of The Venue are, only serve to alienate those who are trying to find some way to support this decision.
Stephen, I apolgize for misspelling your name. Kinda hard to read on a droid :-)
"drawing the best" punk hardcore metal bands in the NW. Didn't Eric from Brawl book majority of the hardcore shows there and just pay you to host them at the venue? BTW you guys arent worried about the safety of the location but you'll call the cops when folks are moshing too hard? Get a clue.
Further..looking at your calender of shows from the past year and the ones coming up...I might need to get a dictionary out to remind you what best means because your roaster is far from it.
Stephan, that's a good question. The fact that the building already had sprinklers, as well as hoodvents in the kitchen (both costly installs that Broad didn't have] and the fact that the building was already zoned by the City as A-2 for nightclub/bar/restaurant without the need for variances were big factors to decide on that location. We were in discussions with the City, Fire Marshal and CPD before we even signed the lease, and they are truly welcoming us with open arms, excited to help us start doing business.
As was mentioned in the article, the gentrification around Broad street was a factor to move. As I spoke with bankers, I was told that $100's of millions of dollars were in the planning stages to be invested in the corridor between Front and Myrtle. We knew, and had been warned by Sally, the building owner, that it was just a matter of time before an investor bought up the space, tore down the building, and put up mid-rise mixed use commerical offices. We were concerned that investing in improvements to 521 Broad would turn out to be money bulldozed.
In response to the people concerned with their physical safety of the new neighborhood, I think those fears are overblown, outdated and for the most part, xenophobic. If you're scared to go to a place that has a really good Mexican restaurant (try the enchilada de camarones!) and a tortilla bakery across the street, I insert an eyeroll. If I hadn't live in latin america (more than once) and didn't speak fluent Spanish and Portuguese, we might be a little hesitant to move into an area that has a high percentage of Hispanics. As it is, with our language skills and cultural affinity, we're being welcomed by that community also. The only interaction we've had with our neighbors is them asking us when they can rent out the space for quinceañeras and private fiestas. To the contrary of the previous poster, we know exactly what we're doing.
Not only have we lived around the world, but we've lived around the united states. The best clubs in chicago aren't in the Loop, they're in neighborhoods far from the center of town. The best punk club in st louis is across the river in east st louis, sandwiched between two stripclubs and across the street from a monsanto chemical plant. The oakland metro, where I'm going to see the Suffocation/Rings of Saturn show tonight is in oakland's warehouse district, one block from MLK drive.
Around the country, punk clubs aren't in the swankiest part of town, next to BoDo and across the street from a gleaming new law school. They're out of town, where DIY, punk and hardcore still mean something. If you're not 'hardcore' enough to go to a show in caldwell, have fun elsewhere. We'll still be drawing in the best punk/hardcore/metal bands that come through the Northwest, only now we'll be able to offer them bigger guarantees and draw in bigger names. You can go eat dinner at PF Changs and then walk over to see whatever band is playing in a cozy little bar that has less than 100 occ capacity. Actually, the treasure valley is big enough for both. Small, up-and-coming artists can do well playing at smaller places tucked away in corners of downtown, and we'll be playing larger artists who have a regional draw. We'll be doing just fine; thanks for your concern. Johann Claus
It's like telling people they should be excited about freeway access to a sewer pond. You know nothing about Caldwell, but you are about to learn.
Have any of you spent any time on the corner of fifth and Elgin in Caldwell, or the neighborhoods surrounding? I grew up there, and I wouldn't go over there if every show was free. You have no idea what you are getting into. I hope you have a lot of money to spend on security and plan on spending a lot of time talking with the police about the problems inside and outside of your venue. It has nothing to do with the drive, and everything to do with the location. Absolutely ridiculous move for these people. They have no idea what they are doing, none.
the problem is Club and bar owners, have no idea how promote or manage their venues.. Most of trust funders who have no worth.. Most the acts that come to boise a sub rate.. And there are no true adult only venus.. with good music.. Boise seems to like bands like black tooth grin..
there is no quality jazz, house music, underground hip hop, venus in boise.. and that sucks.. thus these people think a bigger venue is better... how about being up close and personal to an artist or band... In a nice bar or club. where people understand how to manage, the vibe.. rather than over priced drinks.. kids running around.. and being over packed. Boise has a lot to learn.. no to mention Cops being out in force to tax anyone downtown having fun..
Are sprinklers already installed in the new venue?
you are a dick
James Orr is a genius! He is the Chuck Norris of Boise. You should go back to scrubbing your shower tile with a live kitten in each hand, or whatever evil it was that you were up to.
"I really want to see that band but the drive to Boise is just TOO much for me to handle." Said no Caldwell kid, ever.
Jason Macomber moving away proves the point that the angry white male market is diminishing here...but apparently Tacoma is attracting pissed off Caucasians like crazy.
Good luck to The Venue in Caldwell.
Can we agree on one thing? Aren't we ALL glad that Jason Macomber moved to Tacoma?!!? Go Jason!
I am so glad I moved from Boise. Go Tacoma, WA. Idaho is a pit. 13 years of sh%$t.
I'll add one more comment about the new location. For someone who lives in NW Boise, Chinden road becomes Highway 20-26 just west of town, and makes a straight line due west to Caldwell, meeting I-84 just one mile from the 10th street exit. I think you'll be surprised that the drive to the new location will only take 20 minutes, about 5 minutes longer than the drive to the far side of downtown Boise. For anyone living near I-84, the Meridian exit is roughly the dividing line: if you live to the west of Meridian road, you'll get to the new location faster than the old. We live east of the Gowen road exit (past Broadway) and we were very surprised that our commute to the new location takes only 30 minutes, due to the immediate proximity of 424 E Elgin to the freeway. That's only ten minutes longer than our present commute down Federal Way to Broadway. The touring bands we've talked to are excited about this new location as it's right off the freeway, and they won't have to navigate with trailers or buses into downtown Boise and the narrow city streets around the old neighborhood. We're confident that once people take this new drive once, they'll realize how quick and easily assessible it really is.
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