Good, lock the punk up.
Wow. I moved to Boise from a "real" cycling culture and was upon arrival stunned by the lack of cycling knowledge. A) Riding with traffic doesn't require you ride at the exact same speed. The Idaho Code 49-717 states that when a bicyclist is riding at less than the speed of traffic that they should ride as far as practicable to the right, except when needing to make a left hand turn. There IS no requirement that you move the same speed as traffic to be riding with traffic.
I commuted nearly every single day on city streets from North of the U District via Stewart Street (4-5 lanes of traffic moving at 35 mph) to my destination at One Union Square and back again. I did this for years before I moved to Boise, Idaho. I lived in Boise for over 20 years and while I managed to meet some excellent and skilled riders while living there, the vast majority of the cycling public did not exhibit good riding habits (I'm sorry to say it guys, but it's true). It didn't matter if the riding was being done on the Greenbelt (failure to call out "on your left" or "ring a bell" to alert fellow riders or pedestrians, on campus (zinging through a crowded campus without regard for potential mishaps with pedestrians) riding on pedestrian crowded sidewalks, inability to demonstrate proper street riding habits (riding multiple riders wide, zinging through red lights, using handicapped ramps as handy levitation devices as they careen around blind corners)
Yet, the drivers of automobiles appear to be the worst for sharing the road. It's not just two wheeled vehicles who are in their sights (or not) it's pedestrians, road signs, if it's there, they will hit it and blame it for being in their way.
Not surprised that people see all the jimmy johns drivers as reckless and their opinions anecdotal. What I would remind people of is that if you ride your bike in the roadway or bike lane you are expected to keep up with traffic. How many casual cyclists can do that? Hmmm I'm going to say not many and that is why a jimmy johns delivery rider opinion is important. If you can't keep up with traffic you belong on the sidewalk. This article also does not mention rigorous bike regulations jimmy johns riders have developed with the help of the Boise police department and the community bike riding handbook put out by achd or ccdc, I'm not sure which. Some of these regulations include not riding against the flow of traffic, utilizing bike lanes when they are present, adhering to the rolling stop law for bikes, not hopping up and down curbs, and avoiding the use of sidewalks for anything more than 1 block. I see casual bikers doing these exact things on a daily basis and making very dangerous decisions for all parties. To typify jimmy johns bike riders as being the most reckless because of their speed is an unfair and incomplete representation of what lots of cyclists are doing. Pita pit for example strictly uses sidewalks, does not require helmets, and provides zero verbal or visual warnings to cars and pedestrians. These are all things I have witnessed. You don't see it hear anyone bad mouthing them even though they are more reckless and unregulated, but just not as fast.
I believe there are a handful of legitimate concerns involved here, from both sides of the argument but I don't see this article as one that really holds a lot of water in concern to them. This is a pilot project and there is definitely room for improvement but asking the Jimmy John's delivery crew isn't one that I would consider being the most reliable. Sure, these guys are on the downtown loop throughout the day and they see a lot of the problems that we all see but asking a handful of guys who are known for their reckless cycling habits in order to get a six-minute delivery time is not what I consider a majority of the cycling demograph. To the responses of people concerned with taxes and traffic pattern changes- this is also an effort to increase ridership, to get people to ride more often, and to change the sustainable transportation habits of this city- try it on.
Are you kidding me? How many acres car infrastructure does ACHD manage? What percentage of this is dedicated to cyclists? Sometimes I get around on a bike, sometimes in my car. The first time I've felt safe riding downtown with my daughter was when the bike lanes went in. I am sad to hear how many people can't share even a little bit of the road. We all pay taxes; this isn't that much to ask. I never thought of people in Boise as being this selfish.
And to the BW, I love you guys, but with all due respect, the Jimmy John's riders make cyclists look bad, and they aren't transportation experts. The incentive to be the fastest makes them reckless and dangerous to other road users. Whether you're in a car or on a bike, you're an ambassador. Courtesy and awareness would go a long way on both sides of this issue.
Mr Smith is sooo far to the right that he has come back around to the left. He is a radical who intends to de a great harm to man and society.
Why did they put the bikes on the left side of the street along Main?? That is counter to all other bike lane setups across the county and country. Cyclists should go with traffic to the right of the vehicle travel lanes. Taking out a through lane on Main, Idaho and Capitol was stupid, three heavily traveled corridors through the Downtown core. Why not reduce 8th and Grove Streets, allow bikes a dedicated pathway through the Grove plaza. Far fewer cars on both streets, and great corridors for cyclists through downtown.
Cmon, the bike lanes are putting the few ahead of the many. And my bet is that if they stay, we'll see an increase in taxes in order to widen roads so that the bike lanes are "safer". There has to be a better way than this. And when they add the extra 3000 people that need parking downtown it is going to be a zoo. Almost 800,000 SF of office has been built or is about to in the core and virtually no parking has been added. If this had been built in anywhere BUT downtown, they would have had to add 3200 parking spaces. Narrow the roads and add more cars. Brilliant.
As a driver, bicyclist and pedestrian, helping everyone stay safe is a great idea. I've been almost side swiped by a tow truck while bicycling on the shoulder but I've also been almost plowed over by a Jimmy Johns delivery guy while walking on a sidewalk. As a pedestrian, I don't appreciate bicyclists flying along a sidewalk with no warning. If I was to step sideways, I'd get clobbered. I understand the need to ride on the sidewalk when there's no safe area on the street but please use a bell or call out to warn pedestrians. As far as bikes and cars, I've seen bicyclists taking crazy risks in traffic that could easily have caused an accident and I've seen drivers getting way too close to bicyclists. We do need to learn to share the street and sidewalks!
The colors chosen by the designers are amazing, said Helen Keller, Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder and Tom Sullivan.
"I put the emphasis mostly on the motorists because a bicyclist at the end of the day is just trying to protect their life. A motorist is trying to protect, what, their rearview mirror or something?"
Classic quote! Hey, but some of those color-matched mirrors are pretty sweet, and I bet they're expensive to replace!
(I've got concerns about the parking "blind spot." And those green "turn boxes" have me baffled. I just get into the traffic turn lane if I want to turn, and think that's safest.)
That is true and it is ironic that one of the reasons for the bike lanes was to make turning for the bikes safer but then they put the bike lane between a line of parking spots and the sidewalk thereby making the bikes harder to see by cars that are driving on the roadway thus, they can much more easily get cut-off by a car turning.
My life long friend, Kevin Pavlis, died in Boise from injuries that he received from crashing into a vehicle that pull out in front of him. This shows that what the Jimmy John's bikers are talking about can kill the biker. Even wearing a helmet and 10 to 15 mph can be lethal
That is to be expected right? There are more cars than bikes. The lane is to encourage people to bike more not make cars happier.
Ada County "officials" need to stick with no-brainer projects - cuz, well, you know. . . .
I'm glad bikes will have an easier time downtown. Afterall, the business oweners downtown should really enjoy not having all the auto traffic down there that carry all the people around that buy the good in the store.
Nice move Boise... let's make downtown Boise hard to make a living in.
This is going to make a nightmare commute for anyone during rush hour...God forbid there's an event going on downtown at the same time.
While this may work in cities like Portland, what everyone seems to forget is that Portland has an extensive mass-transit system that actually *works*, unlike Boise.
Yet another reason to not drive downtown.....
CCDC owns much of the Grove Plaza and is planning on donating the subterranean land to be used for the multi-modal transportation center. The donation from the CCDC would be Valley Regional Transit, another governmental entity, not Gardner Co." Am I the only one who wonders why the CCDC owns much of the land of the Grove plaza? So does Gardner own the US Bank building and the CCDC THE LAND ITS ON? WHY? So Dave Bieter says that this is the only solution for a transit/convention center in downtown Boise! Is that because the CCDC owns the property it will be built on. What other solutions were looked at? The land that the GBAD owns at the connector would be another solution and maybe better. ON AND OFF RAMPS TO THE CONNECTOR and more centrally located to what Dave Beiter has been referring to downtown core stretching from St Lukes to the Whitewater Blvd. I am not opposed to growth but to narrow sightedness official that won't look beyond the downtown core and Gardner Company
I literally live 2 blocks from there, I take it I shouldn't drink any water out of my tap from now on
Horrible people... profit takers... creating smoke when necessary to divert from their true purpose...and if not who can trust Gardner (LDS agents) the bank... profit is their God.
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