So how does this 'Season Pass' program work, where individuals "own a share in the (public) golf course", and have the opportunity to "lock out the public"?
Synonyms: Lock Out & Exclusion
Oh, that's right, I keep forgetting, being owned by the city doesn't mean the 'public' courses can't allow private season pass course owners to lock out other members of the public from using the course.
This is looking a lot like the famous 'trickle down' program that was championed by the Reaganites before the 'trickled on' saw through that smoke screen.
And it also looks like a great way to provide some of the 'public' with exclusive (Get it? Lock out/Exclusion of others) use of a 'public' course.
Club Talk: "We've got to make sure there's enough slots (trickle down) for the "occasional" non-owning citizens, so our exclusive position isn't threatened."
So, by the last two sentences, it seems the author is not only encouraging skiing in the backcountry alone, he is also berating experienced ski professionals who offer common sense safety advice. Perhaps Mr. Wickham, is more confident than he should be, even if he may be prudent and aware in the snow. He is not prudent nor aware journalistically. How many inexperienced skiers will look forward to skiing alone thanks to the article, and go out half cocked.
Wow BW! How responsible of you to print this.
There is no guiding whatsoever in Hevi Hitters. No helping members set decoys, digging in their layout blinds or calling the ducks for them----much like it sounds the brothers did for the author. All you get is plain and simple access to a LOT of land ---minus the crowds, occasional knuckleheads and the hassles of public hunting. Much like knocking on a door and getting permission the old fashion way, except the access is gained with a pre-season check to sub-lease property. That's what it has come to in this valley if you want to avoid crowds and painful encounters. Some can afford it, some can't. Some whine about it, some don't, but the bottom line is it's no different than the author's "CORN HUNT" on private land. Access can be gained with a knock or a check. Quote from Randy's pal: "I was paying a lot of money, before the economy went bad, for some hunting rights," said Leon. "Some of his former leases are now being run by duck hunting clubs," was the unsubstantiated assumption made by Randy. There is only one club in the valley and Randy's assumption (reaches) that Hevi Hitter's now leases Leon's former honey holes. That is incorrect. There are choices for all. Save your money for leases, knock on some doors, fight the crowds at the launches, sit 20-yards from someone at a WMA or burn gas$$$ scouting miles of water and roads for that gem no one has found yet. Everyone has a choice, but be glad that 20-30 capable hunters belong to Hevi Hitters and they are not competing with you in todays crowded 2C landscape.
Thanks for the article. I enjoy reading stories about driving up Dalton or Dempster as at one time I considered doing it myself. But my vehicle would thank me for the harsh 6000 mile round-trip wear-and-tear I decided not to place on it, and Google Street View has since alleviated the curiosity of seeing the surroundings. I was very surprised that any rental car company would allow their vehicle to be taken up Dalton, and the insurance fees of the ones that do must be astronomical.
I live in Australia and just started having these birds coming into my backyard ..but find them delightful and such sweet placid little birds and welcome their visits so much more than some human visitors!! :) any invasive species is our fault not the animal.....my goodness even humans can be invasive!!
Do the Larry Craig workout. NRA approved.
Baseball on TV is the grand daddy of spitting in America, particularly in the dugouts. It matters not whether the players are chewing tobacco, bubble gum, seeds, or coca leaves - they all spit. Unsightly, unsanitary, and often misdirected or clingy. For some strange reason it's a baseball habit but not a basketball habit - a much more strenuous and demanding sport. I always wonder about the poor sap who has to clean (and hopefully sterilize) the dugouts and surroundings after each game.
Thanks for your deft rebuttal, Stringwalker! Unlike me, you obviously have a life; I'm terribly envious!
(But seriously, my comments were intended to be the "down side" of the patrol program as presently constituted. And you are correct - many senior citizens probably can't do extended foot or bike patrols.)
Oh get a life bikeboy.. Most volunteers are seniors and maybe they cant patrol 4-5hrs on foot or a bike...
A pellet rifle in my backyard puts quite a few of these on my table every year...
As a frequent Greenbelt user, I'm grateful for the spirit of volunteerism manifested by these folks, and for the service they provide. However, I'd be very happy if they would eliminate the "golf carts." There are numerous signs along the greenbelt that proclaim, "NO MOTORIZED VEHICLES." And with good reason - at the very least, a golf cart putt-putting along the path disrupts the serenity that prevails, and at worst they create hazards for other users that would otherwise not exist. And besides that, they perpetuate a notion that municipal officials are somehow immune from rules and regulations that apply to us common folks. If we lose the free collar/leash and bike maintenance services, so be it.
Ran this section around the same time this year.
A well-written, fun to read review and very wonderful piece of the Idaho experience.
This is a great idea! I've been to the public meetings, and I've listened to the details of the proposal and it isn't going to be anything like "A theme park" in someone's backyard. This will be a great asset to the city of Eagle and SHAME ON YOU fun-sucking neighbors of the bike park too selfish to listen to the explanation that the city and Ryan Neptune have given you time and time again! The snow-making fans are NOT LOUD, they are only using a few acres, and this project will only use the water of 21 or so homes. To all the neighbors who have had concerns and stayed till the end of the open house and applauded Ryan Neptune at the end for his thorough and honest explanation of what the project will entail, thank you. I hope the rest of the Nay-sayers can follow your example and come to the realization that this is a GREAT thing!
I'm surprised the hill would be steep enough for anything other than mild park features -- that would be my major concern.
Re: the class card and future athletes -- that might be true for the wakeboarding, wouldn't know or care, but hard to beat Bogus for inexpensive snow sports -- many kids from less than middle class homes have been packed onto those buses over the decades. It's the step below sponsorship that typically requires money / connections: being able to afford travel to competitions, high end equip, etc.
Boise Bruin, I'm not sure about that. I don't know as the hill is steep enough for slalom training but you could contact Ryan at Planet Snow and ask/suggest this.
Tanner, would there be space for slalom training for ski racers? Our racers in this area is hindered by poor snow conditions and this would be another area that could benefit and raise funds for the park.
rigoropolis good question. The existing mountain bike trails will still be open the park will be built in a different portion of the park so the bike trails will still be there and open to the public.
Simple question: will the existing mt bike trails of the area, built by volunteers, be now 'acquired' by the private park, or will they continue to be open to the public?
As someone who has worked very closely with Ryan Neptune in the ski industry for years, I will stand by his side as one of the most responsible, clean, and thorough visionaries in the sport. He has been professionally building parks for mountains all across the world! there is a reason he is the most sought after park builders in the world! we are lucky to have someone that cares as much as he does heading this project up! if you are afraid to let your kids experience life and try out their hands at something that very well may keep them off drugs and alcohol then don't let them come to the park. As for pollution, what pollution? Are you afraid that the snowboards, skis, tubes, or wakeboards are going to create any pollution at all? Do some research before you post because none of these produce any pollution at all! The snow guns are whisper quiet and will not affect any of the residents there, a tow rope will also not affect any of the residents. Please people do your research as Ryan Neptune has before you post your negativity toward a progressive sports park which is exactly what this area has been set aside for. This will promote comradery and friendship for children and adults alike. I am in full support of this proposal and would be more than happy to volunteer my time and efforts to help build this and support our local future athletes that don't come from rich homes with boats and the opportunity to spend hundreds of dollars on lift passes and equipment. Cheers to you Ryan and your support of this community!
Bogus? No chairlift proposed. A Magic Carpet like the beginner area.
Lucky Peak? One of their docks wouldn't fit in the Gateway Lake. The proposal is for people who don't have boats.
Pollution ? For everyone who crosses Hill Road and Bogus Basin Road this park saves 16 miles of driving as the park is 8 miles from that intersection. If you live west you are saving that much more. Everyone saves drive distance, even Highlands residents.
How many people live where the Rocky MTN Oyster Feed is held? Yet it's advertised for the whole valley. We're all from the valley. I'm betting many of the NIMBAs commute to Boise taking away my open space biking the streets.
But this area has been approved for years as a sports park. Have not heard of anything else proposed since time expired for the velodrome. Time to move forward. It appears to be a fiscally responsible proposal for Eagle to offer improved amenities to its residents without additional upfront costs as Neptune proposes to shoulder the burden.
Most all ski areas in the states make use of public lands. Not only do they charge, most activities through any park or recreation program has charged fees for decades.
Ryan isn't building America's next great ski area. He proposes an entry gateway. For the kids. Almost like a gift.
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