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Comment Archives: stories: Opinion: Bill Cope

Re: “Crumbling Foundations 4

It IS about the money. The plan has been in the works for a while. First put out misleading information on how US education is circling the drain. (It's not. Sandia Report) Then demonize teachers and take away their professional status. Offer to help by using vulture philanthropy to oh so nicely fund new standards and tests. Convince the public that the old ways never had kids do any critical thinking.

Much of the American education crisis has been manufactured and the solutions are setting the public school system up for failure. Why? The free market isn't free. It comes at a cost to the tax payer. An increasing amount of public money used to fund local schools is now being funneled into the pockets of corporations. Welcome to the plutocracy!

Posted by Mary Ollie on 04/17/2014 at 10:02 AM

Re: “Crumbling Foundations 4

Is this what you mean by inequitable funding?

"86M Full-Time Private-Sector Workers Sustain 148M Benefit Takers"
http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/terence-p-jeffrey/86m-full-time-private-sector-workers-sustain-148m-benefit-takers

You cannot sustain a system with more takers than givers...period... it doesn't work, it's call socialism, and every time socialism has been tried in history it has failed, so why are you expecting it to succeed this time?

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Posted by luvmy45 on 04/17/2014 at 7:48 AM

Re: “Crumbling Foundations 4

US Department of Education, "Digest of Education Statistics" and NAEP Tests, "Long Term Trends, 17-year olds"

Then there are several reports by the Cato Institute about how education systems are lying to us about what the true costs of education are and how poorly the system is doing.

But that's not my words or opinion. So believe what you want. Educate yourselves, it's enlightening.

Education systems are not created equal, get over it, this isn't a utopia. Good teachers are drawn to good schools and good neighborhoods, that have supportive parents and intact families. You can't force a good teacher to goto a crappy school and expect them to succeed.

The family unit is the problem in education, fix it and most everything else will fall in place.

Posted by luvmy45 on 04/16/2014 at 8:25 PM

Re: “Crumbling Foundations 4

What test scores are you referring to? Standardized tests weren't used until 2002 (other than SAT/ACT). As far as enrollment, your numbers are crap. US population in 1970 was 203.2 million. In 2010 it was 308.7 million. There is no way enrollment has stayed the same.

Posted by Jerel Thomas on 04/16/2014 at 7:29 PM

Re: “Crumbling Foundations 4

What's wrong with for-profit schools replacing public ones? As impossible as it may seem, it is actually the case that not every service the government supervises is an appropriate target for commodification. The free market and competition simply are not appropriate tools for doing what public schools were created to do. The nurturing of human minds is not replaceable by any process similar to culling potatoes. The use of test scores, zero tolerance policies, and under servicing of special needs students is a culling process. We have three issues challenging public education and none of them are addressed by choice or technology.
1. Poverty. 2. Poverty. 3. Unstable, inequitable funding. Anyone proposing to "fix" public schools who isn't focused on these is not serious about educating children.

Posted by Miron Boland on 04/16/2014 at 5:48 PM

Re: “Crumbling Foundations 4

Simply saying "According to the US Department of Education" does not make your statistics any more meaningful or persuasive, nor does it provide support for whatever logic you have used to arrive at the conclusion that we are "throwing money" at the system without changing outcomes. Cite your sources.

Posted by Kevin Wilson on 04/16/2014 at 3:41 PM

Re: “Crumbling Foundations 4

According to the US Dept of Education... since 1970 the test scores for Reading, Math and Science have not increased, enrollment in schools has been relatively flat since 1970 as well.... yet the funding has increased over 100% on Teacher and administration costs.

So here is the question... we keep throwing more money at our existing education system, and the outcomes are not changing. This is according to the Dept of Education.

So tell me again, how is this different than the definition of insanity? Something needs to change...

Posted by luvmy45 on 04/16/2014 at 11:37 AM

Re: “Crumbling Foundations 4

Why is for profit a bad thing? What is it about making money, to pay your bill and not be subsidized by taxpayer money that frightens you people?

For the record Charter Schools are a joke and virtual schools are even worse. Kids need to be in school somewhere. And the bad ones will fail... like they have been doing. That is how for profit works... if you do something poorly, you fail, you die, you go away. If you do it well, people come knocking on your door and want more of it.

If parents want to choose where to send their kids, and they send them to a virtual school and their kids fail... it's their problem. The Parents.

You want to fix this problem? You need to fix the single parent family's that are running rampent in this country. Fix the family and you fix a lot more than education.

Posted by luvmy45 on 04/16/2014 at 8:44 AM

Re: “Bill CopeCrumbling Foundations 3

So let's take 5 thru 10... why do you have a problem with them? What bullshirts are they based on?

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; etc...'

Since you are against them, are you saying you are for bad mouthing your mom and dad, killing people, sleeping around, stealing and bringing false witness and stealing from your neighbors?

That's how this works isn't it... if your not for it you must be the exact opposite and promote the exact opposite. So your saying you are a murderer and thief?

Posted by luvmy45 on 04/14/2014 at 1:51 PM

Re: “Bill CopeCrumbling Foundations 3

What's wrong with Biblical Law???? The same thing that is wrong with Sharia Law or Hindu Scriptural Law, or Buddhist Law, or Talmudic Law. In a secular democracy like the U.S. each person has the freedom to choose any religious dogma or reject any religious dogma. The state definitely can't be run by the church. But I do agree with you on one thing Anthropogenic Global Warming is not based on Science. Its based on Bullshit.

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Posted by Mick on 04/11/2014 at 6:49 PM

Re: “Bill CopeCrumbling Foundations 3

What's wrong with biblical law? And the Koran is not the Bible, again making up answers to arguments we aren't having.

Last I checked the 10 commandments were what our justice system was based on... things like don't murder, steal, adultery, etc... are you saying that we should throw all those out? It's only in the last 50 years that our education system has been so screwed up that we think that global warming is a problem that a) we created and b) we can fix. When basic knowledge of science tells you that one volcanic eruption puts more pollutants into the air than all of america combined for years.

First tenant of the Bible...do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Is that really that bad?

As for privatization, please... I didn't say we should privatize the entire system, I said let's give our parents the ability to chose, if you don't want a public education, and want to not pay for it, why not have a voucher system.

I mean, if most of our elected officals and leaders in AMERICA send their kids to private schools, they can't be all that bad and wrong, can they?

And I don't need to read someone's opinion of how our schools are or are note screwed up, my kids homework speaks volumes to me about what and how is being taught in the classroom, and it's not that great.

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Posted by luvmy45 on 04/10/2014 at 6:58 PM

Re: “Bill CopeCrumbling Foundations 3

Yay! Lets put God back in class room just like the Taliban does. Teach illiterate young kids to recite Koranic Scripture and then strap a suicide vest on them and send them to paradise, shouting Allahu Akbar! God is great! Kill the Infidels! It's called Religious Brain Washing. Let's run Civilization according to Biblical Law or Sharia (Koranic) Law. What fun!

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Posted by Mick on 04/10/2014 at 6:42 PM

Re: “Bill CopeCrumbling Foundations 3

Do you believe that Idaho's education system is failing? That the nation, as a whole, is at great risk because of widespread failure of public schools to turn out well-educated individuals ready to compete in a global marketplace? That teachers and teachers unions are largely to blame, and that salvation is to be found in voucher systems, charter schools, standardized tests, and "accountability"?

If so, then you've been lied to--by everyone from the U.S. Secretary of Education to Tom Luna to the Albertson Foundation to KTVB and a host of others who hope to cash in on the privatization of the U.S. public school system and the diversion of billions of taxpayer dollars into the hands of hedge-fund managers, venture capitalists, and billionaire social engineers.

Read the latest book by Diane Ravitch, former US Assistant Secretary of Education and a noted education historian. It's called "Reign of Error: The Hoax of the Privatization Movement and the Danger to America's Public Schools," and its the antidote to the fear-mongering, hand-waving, and outright lying practiced by those who would convince you that the sky is falling and it's the fault of the public schools.

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Posted by Kevin Wilson on 04/10/2014 at 6:16 PM

Re: “Bill CopeCrumbling Foundations 3

The Albertson Foundation carefully cherry picks data and then misinterprets data to paint as bleak a picture as possible of education in Idaho. After one of their propaganda pieces aired on channel 7 (BFF with AF) I decided to check out some primary sources. I found the NAEP reports for Idaho students and found the Albertson Foundation was using different categories to determine grade level. Actually Idaho kids do pretty well considering about 40% are poor and in crowded classrooms with limited supplies. I also found out the Foundation has a pattern of selecting pro-charter school and pro-privatization speakers for their Ed Sessions. And...the Foundation supports Teach For America. Truthfully if I was a business woman passing through Idaho and I heard the "Don't Fail" propaganda piece on TV I would run as far as I could. The Albertson Foundation is failing Idaho by portraying this state as a bunch of losers. Perhaps that is the plan...make public education fail so the privatizers can take over.

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Posted by Mary Margaret on 04/10/2014 at 5:37 PM

Re: “Bill CopeCrumbling Foundations 3

Does the WHOLE education system stink? Really? How have we done so well as a nation? And what are we basing our evaluation on?

The first step we need to take in "improvement" (and yes, I am saying with certainty that we have places & things to improve) is to have an honest evaluation of the problems. THAT is hard to do when information - very, very important information (government research) - has been suppressed. http://thecrucialvoice.com/2014/04/08/answ…

What has been sold to the U.S. is "standardization" practices packaged as "standards" - always better, always higher.

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Posted by Victoria M. Young on 04/10/2014 at 4:32 PM

Re: “Bill CopeCrumbling Foundations 3

Oddly enough, I find myself in agreement, mostly, with you... too much talk about what we are not doing, and not about what we should be doing.

My list:
Promote healthy families. 2 parent's, involved in their children's education is a start.

Choice of where they can send their children to get educated, if I want to opt out of the mess of public education, I should get a tax break/money back or something to pay for the education I want for my kids. Vouchers or something.

Put God back in the classroom...our education foundation was based on the Bible and served us well for a long time, then the 60's happened and we kicked God out of the classroom. Is it any surprise we have the issue's we do?

Kudo's to you Bill... our education system stinks, and it need's fixed.

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Posted by luvmy45 on 04/09/2014 at 11:47 AM

Re: “Bill Cope Sillyrious 3

Wow, just flew in from Portland, and was having a little dinner downtown and read your paper. Oh, shit, I've landed in a red state. How can I help?

Posted by Albert Kaufman on 03/30/2014 at 10:08 PM

Re: “Bill Cope Sillyrious 3

Idaho Repulsicans Rulers, Less than Worthless Kleptocrats.

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Posted by Mick on 03/26/2014 at 3:13 PM

Re: “Dear Martin Winterkorn,

The freedom to form and join a union is core to the United Nations Universal Declaration on Human Rights signed by the U.S. and is an "enabling" right--a fundamental right that insures the ability to protect other rights. Amusingly, your knee jerk hostility toward Unions and ignorance of Fundamental Human Rights is shared by most 1 party dictatorships like Idaho, China, North Korea and Cuba.

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Posted by Mick on 03/26/2014 at 2:31 PM

Re: “Bill Cope Sillyrious 3

DB, what should bother you is the do nothing Idaho GOP legislature.

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Posted by Jewels in Boise on 03/26/2014 at 9:08 AM


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