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Comment Archives: stories: News: Unda' the Rotunda

Re: “Under the Radar: The Idaho Legislature Looks to Dismantle Design Review

Complete short shortsightedness on the State's behalf as well as a slap in the face of modern, sustainable development.

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Posted by bryantforrester on 03/12/2014 at 4:07 PM

Re: “GOP Passes Guns-on-Campus Bill in Idaho House; Six Republicans Join Dems In Losing Effort

You are reading more into what I've said than is there. I stated facts not opinions. I never once said whether I do or I do not feel safe. Your hyperbole is unnecessary. I honestly don't believe I can explain how it will cost so much more any clearer, but I will try.

This bill will cost the university so much money, because they will need to train and arm their security staff. They will need to perform more comprehensive background checks and perform psych testing on the security staff. They will most likely need to increase the number of security guards. This is not cheap.

They will need to do these things, because there will be a more present and real threat. People may opt out of going to a university that allows guns and they may lose money that way. The best the universities can do if/when this bill passes is offer their students and potential students the knowledge that their security is well trained and prepared in an emergency situation.

This added cost will most likely reflect in tuition as well.

Also, just because threatening and killing are illegal does not mean people don't do them. That's very apparent in life and it'd be naive to think otherwise. But to allow guns on campus makes it easier for someone to bring in a weapon and attack students and staff. It just makes it more likely. I'm not saying it would happen, but the chances rise. Similar to the fact that the UK (a country with a ban on firearms) has fewer firearm related deaths than America.

You can't take a concealed weapon to many places already. You can't take them onto any private property that bans them. Schools have chosen to ban them and they wish to keep doing so. This bill was presented by the NRA and is truly only helping the NRA and those receiving political funding from them. This bill has very little to do with the people of this state; the government is making quite clear as it passes this bill against the majority of opinions on this matter.

You said, "Why do you want ANOTHER law that says you can't carry when you cross the street from Pizza Hut onto campus." This is already the current law, if any university in the state wanted to allow guns on campus right now they could choose to and they haven't. All 8 public universities continue to speak out opposing this bill.

It is rather easy right now to receive a concealed weapons permit. Currently a person only needs to renew their permit every five years. A lot can change in five years. A person can become mentally unstable in that time. The skills that a person learns and is tested on to get the permit perish over time if not used. You can also get a concealed weapons permit in any state and have it be valid in Idaho.

You're right, Idaho is not in chaos because of concealed weapons permits and I never suggested that it was or would be. So why is it necessary to bring them into schools? There have been many studies that show if someone comes into a classroom and begins firing, an average Joe would not be able to help and would most likely die trying. No matter how well they do when hunting or on a range, most have never been trained to handle a firearm in those extreme situations and most likely will only get themselves and possibly others killed. Even if they had the necessary training if they don't keep up on it they will lose it. Ask any police officer.

Enforce may have been a poor choice of a word, but it was originally your choice of word. I simply used it to be more relatable. But to address this, "Concealed means you can't see it, and if you can, it isn't concealed and then your in violation of CCW, which again is illegal." If an officer asks if you are carrying a weapon you tell him or her. You show your permit and you state that you are indeed in possession of a firearm. It's that simple. It's not like security is going to hassle you to see who is in possession of one, there is no need if they are allowed on campus. The only reason they would need to know is if the person is clearly being hostile, out of control and has become a clear and present danger.

This is the best I can do. If you really want to know more or have a better understanding of the cost (as that is your primary question & I've answered it twice to the best of my ability) you can go ahead and research it. Research both sides and many different sources, that's always the best way to find out the facts of what you wish to know.

Posted by SD on 03/12/2014 at 3:26 PM

Re: “GOP Passes Guns-on-Campus Bill in Idaho House; Six Republicans Join Dems In Losing Effort

If what you were saying was true, then the entire rest of the state of Idaho should be in shambles, with reckless gun handling occurring on a daily basis. An epidemic of that proportion should be drawing national news attention of such actions.

Let me do a quick google of the state of idaho where guns were being used on a daily basis by CCW permit holders recklessly endangering people in this state, and causing such a panic that the local police force is taken off patrol duty and walking our streets in SWAT uniforms waiting to take down those perpetrators...

It's illegal to kill someone right now, it's illegal for MINORS to carry a gun, it's illegal for you to be intoxicated and have a gun, it's illegal for you to brandish a firearm, it's illegal for you to threaten someone with a firearm... THOSE ARE THE CURRENT LAW.

Why don't you feel safe now? Why do you want ANOTHER law that says you can't carry when you cross the street from Pizza Hut onto campus. Why does that make you feel safer?

And how to you enforce a CONCEALED weapons permit? Concealed means you can't see it, and if you can, it isn't concealed and then your in violation of CCW, which again is illegal.

So HOW is this going to cost millions of dollars to enforce... when there is NOTHING to enforce?

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Posted by BK on 03/11/2014 at 10:57 PM

Re: “If Legislator Had His Way, Idaho Wouldn't Be Springing Forward

Daylight until 2230? If I lived up on the Yukon, that would be one thing. This time I agree w/ a Republican. My work shift starts @ 0600. I don't mind working in the dark for a couple hours, (especially to avoid the heat), but it is nearly daylight @ 0600 Standard time in June and July

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Posted by Mud on 03/10/2014 at 7:04 PM

Re: “If Legislator Had His Way, Idaho Wouldn't Be Springing Forward

I'd like to stay on DST... I like the extra hour of daylight in the evening, even during the winter.

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Posted by IdahoOdonata on 03/10/2014 at 9:47 AM

Re: “If Legislator Had His Way, Idaho Wouldn't Be Springing Forward

correction: "wouldn't want to move anything forward."

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Posted by Marque on 03/09/2014 at 4:21 PM

Re: “If Legislator Had His Way, Idaho Wouldn't Be Springing Forward

Seriously, how surprising is it that a Republican would want to more anything forward?

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Posted by Marque on 03/09/2014 at 11:24 AM

Re: “GOP Passes Guns-on-Campus Bill in Idaho House; Six Republicans Join Dems In Losing Effort

BK:
It will cost so much to enforce, because the colleges and universities will need to train and arm their security staff so they can be equipped to deal with what might occur when so many people are carrying guns on campuses. It takes a lot of constant training to be able to properly handle a fire arm in very stressful situations. It's a very expensive situation, and a needless one at that since all 8 public universities have spoken out against this bill. The universities currently have the option to allow guns on campus if they desire and none of them do. This is a needless bill.

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Posted by SD on 03/08/2014 at 11:50 AM

Re: “GOP Passes Guns-on-Campus Bill in Idaho House; Six Republicans Join Dems In Losing Effort

Somebody help me understand how this law is going to cost millions to enforce?

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Posted by bk on 03/07/2014 at 2:53 PM

Re: “UPDATE WITH VIDEO: Former Legislator, Add the Words Protesters Arrested at Idaho Statehouse

Good Job Add the Words.

It's time to tell the legislature and Otter that the people of Idaho are tolerant and inclusive. It's also time to stop Idaho Legislatures that are promoting canned legislation from the legislation mill, ALEC.

Posted by Charles K Bunch Phd on 03/04/2014 at 10:56 AM

Re: “UPDATE: Idaho Legislator Targets Chobani For Opposing Ag-Gag

Patrick wants to boycott a company that provides a livelihood to the people he represents? He deserves to be boycotted at the voting booth, along with the dope who "governs" this state - Clem KadiddleOtter.

Time for a change, people: http://www.ajforidaho.com/

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Posted by Marque on 03/03/2014 at 4:58 PM

Re: “Otter Signs 'Ag-Gag' Bill Into Idaho Law; Animal Rights Activists Say Governor 'Betrayed the Will of Constituents'

It becomes more clear every day that we need an entirely new legislature in Idaho. I will be voting non incumbent in both the primary and general elections.

Posted by Meridianmoderate on 03/03/2014 at 9:29 AM

Re: “UPDATE: Idaho Legislator Targets Chobani For Opposing Ag-Gag

A Twin Falls Senator attacks one of his own local progressive Industries, Chobani? How bizarre and hateful these Idaho Republican Senators have become and how warped the direction of our State Legislature has become.

Soon, there will be an underground raildroad for milk cows, gays, and Idaho University Students fearing being shot, to find a way to exit this narcissistic bullying called the Idaho Legislature and office of the governor Butch Otter.

These right wing radicals, influenced by the far right legislation mill organization, ALEC are the antithesis of:

Chobani CEO Hamdi Ulukaya wrote, "As someone who grew up on a farm, I believe deeply that the humane treatment of animals is an ethical and moral imperative."

Mr. Ulukaya, thank you for taking a stand for sane treatment of animals. How we treat these cows is symbolic for our own inner concern for humanity and nature. There are those with compassion, and then there are those who treat animals, nature, and humans with one big shove into a pit with a bulldozer. Jim Patrick is driving one, so if he is pushing Idaho Holstein cows off the cliff, you better watch out Idaho Citizen......it could be you he's dumping in the trash heap next! A narcissistic bully does not one day just come up with love and concern, they are always who they've been.

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Posted by Charles K Bunch Phd on 03/02/2014 at 9:56 AM

Re: “Otter Signs 'Ag-Gag' Bill Into Idaho Law; Animal Rights Activists Say Governor 'Betrayed the Will of Constituents'

Idaho hit a new low today with this bill becoming a law. It was rushed through both the house and the senate with emergency status. There was little time for the average Idahoan to know how to stop it. Idahoans do not want their animals abused period, whether it is dog, cats, chickens or cows!! The rep. from Wilder, Gayle Batt, made the comment that "It is an opportunity for Idaho to stand against those who want to destroy our farms and brands." Sorry, but the people who are destroying the property and livelihood of the dairymen are their workers who abuse and rape their cows!! The owners of Bettencourt Dairy apparently did not even know what was going on in their own operations until legitimately hired workers filmed and exposed the abuse. Freedom of the press worked, people, it worked to improve the conditions at the dairy, it allowed the owners to know exactly what some of their employees were doing, and it opened our eyes as consumers as to the way our food is produced.

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Posted by sandi baker on 02/28/2014 at 9:56 PM

Re: “Idaho House Takes Aim at City of Boise With Design Review Revamp

Yippee! Let's big-box Idaho's landscape without input from those of us who live here and want some character in their cities.

How about Walmarts in downtowns everywhere, with all those high-paying jobs that allow you to collect SNAP to make ends meet.

Note to self: Churlish hayseeds need places to park, and shouldn't be denied such by preservationists objecting to aesthetic nightmares.

Posted by Bimbo on 02/28/2014 at 7:06 PM

Re: “Idaho House State Affairs GOP Approve Guns on Campus Measure

Ah, the best legislature NRA money can buy.

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Posted by Bimbo on 02/28/2014 at 6:51 PM

Re: “GOP Majority, One Dem, Push Ag-Gag One Big Step Toward Becoming Law

can this bill go back to vote if more citizens are given the opportunity to speak out against this bill passing?

Posted by crocus on 02/26/2014 at 7:52 PM
Posted by Marque on 02/24/2014 at 5:23 PM

Re: “UPDATE: Idaho Senate Committee Pushes Through Guns on Campus Bill Without Hearing Testimony from U of I, Law Enforcement

Guns will set you free! The more guns you own, the closer to God are thee! Allahu Akbar, potato heads! The 2nd amendment gives every Red Blooded God Fearing American the absolute right to bear whatever weapon he/she/it chooses including grenades & explosive vests!

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Posted by Mick on 02/15/2014 at 8:11 PM
Posted by Frank R on 02/14/2014 at 11:11 AM


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