I am adding Crazy Horse entries to my music history blog, a history of my time playing music in Boise and Seattle from 1983 to 2003 so I found this article doing research. As you can see from some of these comments, The Crazy Horse was around much earlier than 1991, in the early '80s, and in fact I cut my teeth playing live music there in a punk band called State Of Confusion which morphed into the band Treepeople, who also played many shows there - both of these bands played a lot with Primordial Soup (hello P-Souper!). I am collecting any memories, photos, anything from The Horse (as we lovingly called it) from the '80s. See the blog here: www.amusichistory.blogspot.com
A "must see" performance!
Thank you Ben, again, for a wonderful article about the journey this band is taking. We appreciate your time and candor as a writer.
I really want to start an all ages music venue in Charleston, WV and I'm wondering what you would tell me. I would really like a chance to talk. Is that possible?
No mention of Danny Barnes and his "Barnyard Electronics" work? Guess not everybody is "in the loop".
A small correction: Wes Malvini is no longer the booker for the Red Room. He left in July.--Ben Schultz
Recalling that someone once said "critics are those who talk smack about those who actually have some talent".
I don't love Nickelback, but was this even necessary? Do I CARE what you think? Apparently neither do the millions who do spend their money to hear Nickelback, when we can see Mr. Gross' work for free.. I guess we get what we pay for. If you don't care for the band, then don't go to the show, but geez man, get a life. Just looking to cook up some fifteen minutes of fame for yourself by bashing your betters, and yes, it worked- but we're on to your little game.
Great concert last night and if you missed it, start praying Dave Alvin and the Guilty Ones come back our way again soon.
You are so full of s**t it is coming out your ears!
this guy is an idiot, they went big time and mainstream but they still really talented, and lets face it they make a lot of money. the only reason people bash them so bad is because they're so good.
Yeah, Envy and Deafheaven are barely comparable....
oops, guess you forgot to check out Go Listen Boise's local openers at AA5...although Lisa drives a mini-van so I guess Finn Riggins could still fit that crowd?
Maybe alcohol should be prohibited, sorta like smoking? I know thats gonna be considered a really stupid remark by most readers here but by far the worst part of an outdoor concert experience at a place like Outlaw Field is having to tolerate the drunks that the so-called security guards allow to crowd into whatever few inches of space they can force themselves into at the front of the stage so they can attempt to make themselves stars of the show. They annoy the hell out of people who are trying to enjoy the real show that they paid to see. I go to most concerts at Outlaw Field and it never fails. Eventually some drunk girl is gonna come stumbling from the sidelines toward center stage, anxious for the chance to show her T & A to all who can't avoid seeing her. She will soon be joined by a small army of drunken girls and boys, seemingly competing to see who can show the most skin, "dance" the wildest without falling down. I've seen 'em fall into the space behind the black curtain that hangs from the front of the stage. Security guards sit idly by while these drunks annoy the crowd. I've seen a lady get up and slap hell out of a drunk exhibitionist, which resulted in both women being ejected. Why it was allowed to get to that point, I'll never understand. Bottom line is it makes the whole "concert" experience a bad one and thats a shame. There was some mention in the article of a dance floor being designated, to save the grass. I'd suggest it could also greatly enhance the overall experience, provided its not put directly in front of the stage so one does not get to see the performers they paid to see, but instead gets to see a show similar to what they would see if they were sitting ringside at The Torch. (I've heard). :)
I work for the Garden City Police and the city of Garden City and yes it is a revenue source. But that is the cost of doing business. In a meeting, Chief Bensley mentioned that he planned to send officers to the Revolution Center, for every event, because we are able to bill that establishment between $1,000 and $2,000 per event for the police presence. He said "Even if it is a room full of old poeple, we need the revenue". And it keeps the patrons safe. So it is a win win for everyone.
I think the move is a great idea and its gonna open alot of doors here in Caldwell!!! I'm so excited I've been researching this for the last couple days (as soon as I heard about it)... People are always going to nay say and complain about the drive.... I used to live in Ontario but if my fav band came in town it didnt matter how far, I've even had to drive to salt lake cause well the band doesn't want to stop in Boise... They all might complain now but Caldwell is alot closer than Portland and Salt Lake City... And I hate the knitting factory but that's another story... It's like you said they might yelp negativity but still come back for more (so it doesn't matter what kind of business you use for an analogy pizza or dentist)... It doesn't matter if everyone might not like it cause whether they like it or not this is Idaho and our options are limited... Don't give up and please hire me hahaha I'm a great worker and would love to work for you :)
Hey there, I really do appreciate the folks that have read this far into the comment chain, because it means you really are passionate about this place. We know what the venue has meant to so many kids and musicians over the past decade.
I'll just make one last comment, and then I'll step back and let the faithful of the venue have their say, whether it's to say RIP, we'll miss the old place, or to say they'll see us at the new place once it's up and running.
To patebbc, I agree with your analogy, a utility company is probably a more fitting comparison. We do understand that we have this unique position in the market, and that a lot of the bands that come through idaho will either play the venue or skip town, so we understand the responsibilty we have. It's very similar to idaho power's mandate from the public utility commission and the government of the state, to provide this service to the community, whether it's at a profit or a loss.
When I was contacted by a friend from high school, out of the blue, to take over the venue from the Kecks, who were now in their 60s and could no longer physically or financially support the venue, we understood that if this space was lost, that a large part of the music scene in idaho would die with it. So, as two kids who grew up in the idaho all-ages music scene, jenean and I took on this mantle and have been doing what we can to keep the scene alive, even if some of the most ardent fans of the venue and the current scene have resented us for it.
With all respect to the musicians and fans that are and have been working so hard to keep the scene alive in idaho, truthfully, the people who have kept the doors open at the venue have been the Kecks and now the Claus family, at great personal and financial cost to both families. The Kecks had their reasons for doing it, but for us, it's been for the purpose of keeping the music alive in the state that we grew up in.
When we bought the venue, we knew it would split up our family. I'm working in California, and jenean and the kids are in idaho. The main reason they're not here with me is to keep the doors open and run the building, and the main reason I'm not there is because incomes in idaho aren't sufficient in my line of work to support my family and the venue.
Our sincere desire is to get the venue stabilized to the point where it can pay its own bills and I can come home to be with my family. If the venue does really well, my wife and I might be able to work side by side at this business that we love.
Either way, I expect to be home by early summer, and hopefully I'll be able to shake your hand at the new place, pour you a beer or a soda, and welcome you to the next great show that we've kept from driving right past idaho on the way to seattle or denver.
Best wishes to all, and I do appreciate your best wishes that we'll be able to make this work.
Sincerely, Johann Claus
I am trying very hard to keep positive about the move when just trying to think that hopefully if can keep the scene in this area alive, but it is hard. I have been going to shows for around 10 years, and I would love nothing more for this place to thrive, but the almost condescending tone that I've seen in responses is not easy to overlook. It honestly does alienate people and makes it seem as if you're talking down to people, which I hope is not intended but just maybe a matter of perspective. So, I've been lucky enough to be able to be connected to other scenes in the NW, some of which are in small towns and they are strong with great support from the people. They don't and didn't get strong by blacklisting people for being outspoken, or for personal vendettas. They grow by unity, they grow by a sturdy foundation of not only the owners, but the patrons, the kids in the scene, the "old grizzled vets", and that kid in that bright Asking Alexandria shirt at their first real show. I hope it can work, I want it to. I grew up in Caldwell. I did drive from Caldwell to Boise more times than I can count for shows, but it wasn't just because of the great bands, it was being apart of something bigger. It had that feeling that everyone there was personally invested in everything. That's what is going to needed to help make this place a success. This feeling that I'm getting of "we're going to do this in spite of you" is kind of off putting. Instead I hope it can be more of a "we are going to be doing this and you're welcome to come and be apart of it and hopefully we can show you what we see".
Also comparing a concert venue to a dentist office is about as wise as comparing a pizza joint to an insurance agent...
BUT..if I'm reading into this correctly...is Blacklisted playing the venue? That band rocks
I'd say the comparison is more like Idaho Power not a local dentist. It's almost like a monopoly. We can't really choose to go anywhere else. We can't see the shows we want anywhere else. We're forced to see shows at the venue or not go to shows. oh and by the way the "Angry White Males" have kept the venue's door open for the last decade and without us renting out the place to throw shows it would have been shut down a long time ago.
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