Yeah, Envy and Deafheaven are barely comparable....
oops, guess you forgot to check out Go Listen Boise's local openers at AA5...although Lisa drives a mini-van so I guess Finn Riggins could still fit that crowd?
Maybe alcohol should be prohibited, sorta like smoking? I know thats gonna be considered a really stupid remark by most readers here but by far the worst part of an outdoor concert experience at a place like Outlaw Field is having to tolerate the drunks that the so-called security guards allow to crowd into whatever few inches of space they can force themselves into at the front of the stage so they can attempt to make themselves stars of the show. They annoy the hell out of people who are trying to enjoy the real show that they paid to see. I go to most concerts at Outlaw Field and it never fails. Eventually some drunk girl is gonna come stumbling from the sidelines toward center stage, anxious for the chance to show her T & A to all who can't avoid seeing her. She will soon be joined by a small army of drunken girls and boys, seemingly competing to see who can show the most skin, "dance" the wildest without falling down. I've seen 'em fall into the space behind the black curtain that hangs from the front of the stage. Security guards sit idly by while these drunks annoy the crowd. I've seen a lady get up and slap hell out of a drunk exhibitionist, which resulted in both women being ejected. Why it was allowed to get to that point, I'll never understand. Bottom line is it makes the whole "concert" experience a bad one and thats a shame. There was some mention in the article of a dance floor being designated, to save the grass. I'd suggest it could also greatly enhance the overall experience, provided its not put directly in front of the stage so one does not get to see the performers they paid to see, but instead gets to see a show similar to what they would see if they were sitting ringside at The Torch. (I've heard). :)
I work for the Garden City Police and the city of Garden City and yes it is a revenue source. But that is the cost of doing business. In a meeting, Chief Bensley mentioned that he planned to send officers to the Revolution Center, for every event, because we are able to bill that establishment between $1,000 and $2,000 per event for the police presence. He said "Even if it is a room full of old poeple, we need the revenue". And it keeps the patrons safe. So it is a win win for everyone.
I think the move is a great idea and its gonna open alot of doors here in Caldwell!!! I'm so excited I've been researching this for the last couple days (as soon as I heard about it)... People are always going to nay say and complain about the drive.... I used to live in Ontario but if my fav band came in town it didnt matter how far, I've even had to drive to salt lake cause well the band doesn't want to stop in Boise... They all might complain now but Caldwell is alot closer than Portland and Salt Lake City... And I hate the knitting factory but that's another story... It's like you said they might yelp negativity but still come back for more (so it doesn't matter what kind of business you use for an analogy pizza or dentist)... It doesn't matter if everyone might not like it cause whether they like it or not this is Idaho and our options are limited... Don't give up and please hire me hahaha I'm a great worker and would love to work for you :)
Hey there, I really do appreciate the folks that have read this far into the comment chain, because it means you really are passionate about this place. We know what the venue has meant to so many kids and musicians over the past decade.
I'll just make one last comment, and then I'll step back and let the faithful of the venue have their say, whether it's to say RIP, we'll miss the old place, or to say they'll see us at the new place once it's up and running.
To patebbc, I agree with your analogy, a utility company is probably a more fitting comparison. We do understand that we have this unique position in the market, and that a lot of the bands that come through idaho will either play the venue or skip town, so we understand the responsibilty we have. It's very similar to idaho power's mandate from the public utility commission and the government of the state, to provide this service to the community, whether it's at a profit or a loss.
When I was contacted by a friend from high school, out of the blue, to take over the venue from the Kecks, who were now in their 60s and could no longer physically or financially support the venue, we understood that if this space was lost, that a large part of the music scene in idaho would die with it. So, as two kids who grew up in the idaho all-ages music scene, jenean and I took on this mantle and have been doing what we can to keep the scene alive, even if some of the most ardent fans of the venue and the current scene have resented us for it.
With all respect to the musicians and fans that are and have been working so hard to keep the scene alive in idaho, truthfully, the people who have kept the doors open at the venue have been the Kecks and now the Claus family, at great personal and financial cost to both families. The Kecks had their reasons for doing it, but for us, it's been for the purpose of keeping the music alive in the state that we grew up in.
When we bought the venue, we knew it would split up our family. I'm working in California, and jenean and the kids are in idaho. The main reason they're not here with me is to keep the doors open and run the building, and the main reason I'm not there is because incomes in idaho aren't sufficient in my line of work to support my family and the venue.
Our sincere desire is to get the venue stabilized to the point where it can pay its own bills and I can come home to be with my family. If the venue does really well, my wife and I might be able to work side by side at this business that we love.
Either way, I expect to be home by early summer, and hopefully I'll be able to shake your hand at the new place, pour you a beer or a soda, and welcome you to the next great show that we've kept from driving right past idaho on the way to seattle or denver.
Best wishes to all, and I do appreciate your best wishes that we'll be able to make this work.
Sincerely, Johann Claus
I am trying very hard to keep positive about the move when just trying to think that hopefully if can keep the scene in this area alive, but it is hard. I have been going to shows for around 10 years, and I would love nothing more for this place to thrive, but the almost condescending tone that I've seen in responses is not easy to overlook. It honestly does alienate people and makes it seem as if you're talking down to people, which I hope is not intended but just maybe a matter of perspective. So, I've been lucky enough to be able to be connected to other scenes in the NW, some of which are in small towns and they are strong with great support from the people. They don't and didn't get strong by blacklisting people for being outspoken, or for personal vendettas. They grow by unity, they grow by a sturdy foundation of not only the owners, but the patrons, the kids in the scene, the "old grizzled vets", and that kid in that bright Asking Alexandria shirt at their first real show. I hope it can work, I want it to. I grew up in Caldwell. I did drive from Caldwell to Boise more times than I can count for shows, but it wasn't just because of the great bands, it was being apart of something bigger. It had that feeling that everyone there was personally invested in everything. That's what is going to needed to help make this place a success. This feeling that I'm getting of "we're going to do this in spite of you" is kind of off putting. Instead I hope it can be more of a "we are going to be doing this and you're welcome to come and be apart of it and hopefully we can show you what we see".
Also comparing a concert venue to a dentist office is about as wise as comparing a pizza joint to an insurance agent...
BUT..if I'm reading into this correctly...is Blacklisted playing the venue? That band rocks
I'd say the comparison is more like Idaho Power not a local dentist. It's almost like a monopoly. We can't really choose to go anywhere else. We can't see the shows we want anywhere else. We're forced to see shows at the venue or not go to shows. oh and by the way the "Angry White Males" have kept the venue's door open for the last decade and without us renting out the place to throw shows it would have been shut down a long time ago.
Is getting into discussions intimidating? Because last time I checked I never threatened anyone..I just raised questions and gave my opinion on issues. If that is intimidating then that's a bummer. If you can't handle criticism..you probably shouldn't be in business. Banning and blocking individuals who engage in conversations with you and raise legitimate questions regarding your business and business decisions shows your true colors and immaturity as a business owner and a company.
Devin, yes we have partnered with Eric Muñiz to present shows at the venue. I reached out to him after we first bought the place, and let him know that as business owners, we wouldn't be offended or hold a grudge if he outbid us on a show, and that if he secured a show that he felt the venue would be the best place to host the show, we would be willing to rent the building to him for the night or work out another agreement. Since then, we've put on about 6-8 shows with Eric, and we'd be happy to do it again. We are happy to entertain any promoter's request to rent the venue for an evening or work out some sort of door split.
Having said that, you don't need to worry about the quality of our upcoming shows, since you're still blacklisted. Nobody is allowed to intimidate other patrons or my wife, online or otherwise, and then expect to still be granted access to our establshment.
Andy, I am sensitive to the comment that I seem to be condescending. Snarky is my default mode, which is why I think The Onion is America's finest news source and why I enjoy reading Josh Gross's articles :-) Allow me to give a little context:
It's hard to imagine another service-oriented business that gets such vehement attacks from the customers who willingly receive services from the business. Let's assume you run a dentist's office, and the Harris family is one of your regular patients. Every6 months, all six of them come into your office and get all their dental needs taken care of, but in the interim, the Harris family goes online to Yelp, Angieslist, your facebook page, the local newspaper's editorial page and rails on your practice, saying things like: close your practice, you effing idiot, or, you have no idea what you're doing when you clean my teeth, I hate what you've done to your office, it's all gone downhill since you brought in a new receptionist, etc. But then, after another six months, the Harris family strolls back into your office, all smiles, enjoying the service you provide for them.
This is pretty much the experience we've had with a few of our detractors, except that we don't have to wait six months for them to come back, we see them the next Thursday, when they come back to see another show that we've provided to them through our mom + pop service to the community. They walk past us, averting eye contact, pay their $14, and then have a great time listening to their favorite bands. It's kinda mind-blowing, so maybe you can excuse our exasperation after two years of doing this.
Regarding our belief that we're making good decisions, it's more like we feel like we won the idaho state lottery. With liquor licenses running $150K in boise, we'd been wracking our brains trying to find a way to keep the doors open, all the while knowing we would never be able to get funding for a license, which is the only way a music venue can stay open. When this opportunity came up to lease a building in caldwell with an owner who was willing to transfer his license to us in the lease for free, it was a dream come true for us, an answer to our prayers (really), and a way for us to keep bringing music to the treasure valley.
To those who think that the neighborhood around the new building is a cesspool or a war zone, of course we checked out the area before we made the decision to move the business, sign a lease and put down a sizeable deposit. The only thing we noticed about the area was that it is predominantly hispanic. If that constitutes a cesspool to you, I can frankly say you are not welcome at the venue. My 'affinity' for the hispanic culture runs a little bit deeper than you might expect from a guy named Johann Claus, since some of the best years of my life were spent in latin america. If you really believe that, then I really don't need you frequenting my business.
Thanks for reading this far into the comment chain. Josh's article has given me a forum to explain what went into this decision in fuller detail than would be possible otherwise.
The move won't be that bad. In fact, I think it'll be good. For years, I've drove from the nampa/caldwell area all the way to downtown boise for shows. Some shows had poor turnouts, but they were still worth the drive and the money to get in. And as for the "bad neighborhood", I think we won't have that many problems. The ghetto neighborhoods in Idaho are exagerated. It's Caldwell we're talking about here... not Compton. And if the bands are good enough, people will show up. Whether from Boise or meridian or Nampa or Caldwell. Good luck to the new venue!
Well said @andy.
It seems that The Venue is very confident and proud of themselves and the decisions they have made. Good for them. However, justifying the move to Caldwell with condescending remarks such as "If you're not 'hardcore' enough to go to a show in caldwell, have fun elsewhere." commands little respect from someone such as myself, who spent the last 11 years paying for shows at The Venue. (I have also attended multiple shows in Chicago…outside of the Loop.)
Yes, the owners and staff of The Venue work very hard to bring enjoyment to people in the area, but that does not make their decisions infallible and immune to criticism. Whether The Venue realizes it or not, this is the attitude they portray. Discontent with the way the owners of The Venue have run their business should not be met with scoffing disregard and condescencion….remarks about 'cultural affinity' and how well traveled the owners of The Venue are, only serve to alienate those who are trying to find some way to support this decision.
Stephen, I apolgize for misspelling your name. Kinda hard to read on a droid :-)
"drawing the best" punk hardcore metal bands in the NW. Didn't Eric from Brawl book majority of the hardcore shows there and just pay you to host them at the venue? BTW you guys arent worried about the safety of the location but you'll call the cops when folks are moshing too hard? Get a clue.
Further..looking at your calender of shows from the past year and the ones coming up...I might need to get a dictionary out to remind you what best means because your roaster is far from it.
Stephan, that's a good question. The fact that the building already had sprinklers, as well as hoodvents in the kitchen (both costly installs that Broad didn't have] and the fact that the building was already zoned by the City as A-2 for nightclub/bar/restaurant without the need for variances were big factors to decide on that location. We were in discussions with the City, Fire Marshal and CPD before we even signed the lease, and they are truly welcoming us with open arms, excited to help us start doing business.
As was mentioned in the article, the gentrification around Broad street was a factor to move. As I spoke with bankers, I was told that $100's of millions of dollars were in the planning stages to be invested in the corridor between Front and Myrtle. We knew, and had been warned by Sally, the building owner, that it was just a matter of time before an investor bought up the space, tore down the building, and put up mid-rise mixed use commerical offices. We were concerned that investing in improvements to 521 Broad would turn out to be money bulldozed.
In response to the people concerned with their physical safety of the new neighborhood, I think those fears are overblown, outdated and for the most part, xenophobic. If you're scared to go to a place that has a really good Mexican restaurant (try the enchilada de camarones!) and a tortilla bakery across the street, I insert an eyeroll. If I hadn't live in latin america (more than once) and didn't speak fluent Spanish and Portuguese, we might be a little hesitant to move into an area that has a high percentage of Hispanics. As it is, with our language skills and cultural affinity, we're being welcomed by that community also. The only interaction we've had with our neighbors is them asking us when they can rent out the space for quinceañeras and private fiestas. To the contrary of the previous poster, we know exactly what we're doing.
Not only have we lived around the world, but we've lived around the united states. The best clubs in chicago aren't in the Loop, they're in neighborhoods far from the center of town. The best punk club in st louis is across the river in east st louis, sandwiched between two stripclubs and across the street from a monsanto chemical plant. The oakland metro, where I'm going to see the Suffocation/Rings of Saturn show tonight is in oakland's warehouse district, one block from MLK drive.
Around the country, punk clubs aren't in the swankiest part of town, next to BoDo and across the street from a gleaming new law school. They're out of town, where DIY, punk and hardcore still mean something. If you're not 'hardcore' enough to go to a show in caldwell, have fun elsewhere. We'll still be drawing in the best punk/hardcore/metal bands that come through the Northwest, only now we'll be able to offer them bigger guarantees and draw in bigger names. You can go eat dinner at PF Changs and then walk over to see whatever band is playing in a cozy little bar that has less than 100 occ capacity. Actually, the treasure valley is big enough for both. Small, up-and-coming artists can do well playing at smaller places tucked away in corners of downtown, and we'll be playing larger artists who have a regional draw. We'll be doing just fine; thanks for your concern. Johann Claus
It's like telling people they should be excited about freeway access to a sewer pond. You know nothing about Caldwell, but you are about to learn.
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