Call the governor and ask for veto!!! 208-334-2100 This isn't over.
Ms. Walton, Sen. Davis' son was succumbed by a drunken student's actions. Yet, you present it as a seeming matter-of-fact element that a defensive weapon, of its own accord, did cause itself to become an offensive weapon and, then, cause a sound-minded person to use it as such.
SB1254 factors that in; that of being 'under the influence' and brandishing/using a weapon or other more serious crimes with a defensive weapon they turn into a harmful offensive weapon. In short, the issue was that of alcohol driving the situation to such the sad outcome, not that of an inanimate defensive weapon.
Be that as it may, no law will ever prevent an evil or drunk or high-on-drugs person from causing harm, from using an inanimate object, be it with a bat, knife, envelope opener or other potential or specifically designed defensive weapon they then turn into an offensive harmful weapon.
To the Reader (esp. "disappointed" and Carol Thacker Pullen):
A citizen from southern Idaho, who has a CWL (Concealed Weapons License) and does carry, was visiting Provo, UT, in April of 2012. Walking in the parking lot toward the entrance to a store (not unlike a Fred Meyer), he witnessed a person who, having just bought a larger kitchen knife from that same store, start stabbing people near the entrance 2 people were stabbed, 1 in the head, the other in the right-side. The Idaho man unholstered his defensive weapon, aimed it at the violent aggressor and commanded him to get on the ground. Fortunately, the aggressor wisely complied. Read the story here ~
An instance where more serious or fatal injuries were subverted.
Yet, most events wherein a person has a defensive weapon (be it CC/OC, a knife or other such defensive item) and has stopped a crime because of having such are never reported. It is estimated that between 1.8 and 2.3 million violent crimes are yearly averted when the victim (or someone nearby to defend the victim) has a defensive weapon.
Here are 2 such "unreported" local instances within the last 24 months right here in the Meridian/Boise area ~
In April, 2012, I was at a nearby city pond fishing with my 2 daughters (9 & 12). Another Dad and his 2 kids were just feet away, fishing as well. Two 18~22 year old males dressed in clear gang-like clothing (of which I noticed them some 3 minutes earlier when they were quite farther away headed in our general direction) started speaking loud as they were approaching closer, stating how they'd like to "pound on someone," with one of them quasi-pointing my general direction. I didn't know if they were pointing at me or the other Dad and his 2 kids next to me. The other Dad clearly didn't know them, either. I was open carrying (OC) that day, but was turned such that the two males could not see my OC. I immediately turned my "strong-side" (the side with my OC) toward them, never taking my eyes off them, stating loudly, "Hey! No *BAD* fishing today!" One male stated "Sh*t! He's packin!" and they both then quickly turned and walked hastily away. The Dad next to me stated, "I CC (conceal carry). Maybe I should OC more often." My kids, standing within 15-20 feet of me, had nar a clue what just transpired, with my younger daughter asking, "Are there bad fish here, Daddy?" "Sometimes, Honey. But we Daddy's will chase 'em away, Sweetie," as I nodded toward the other Dad, who nodded in reciprocal concurrence.
In June, 2012, I was walking in the a nearby city's WalMart parking lot to my car after shopping. I heard a loud and frantic scream. I came out from between a van and a car and saw a person having their arms & hands near the throat of another person; didn't see any actual choking. Again, I was OC'ing at this time. I quickly shouted "Hey! What's going on?!", this to draw the seeming aggressor's attention away from the possible victim. The seeming aggressor turned, stating, "Who the hell are ...[pause] Oh, f*ck..." when the seeming aggressor saw my OC. By that time, the Meridian police were pulling into the parking lot, so I started stepping back in-between the van & car and went on my way, as I concluded my presence wasn't necessary any longer. I later read in the paper it was a daughter that was arrested for assault and battery upon her mother; for what reason, I don't know. (If you notice, I qualify "seeming aggressor" and "potential victim" in relaying this account. This is because I didn't see/know who actually screamed, and couldn't [nor shouldn't] assume the person with their hands at another's throat is the aggressor. A reasonable person, though, would conclude of the person who first responded with expletive words as being the seeming aggressor. These things happen in seconds, though.)
I'm confident that, in both these instances (of which, both happened inside of 20~25 seconds total, with the 'intense' segments spanning mere seconds), the potential aggressors, having become fully aware of potential outcomes now that they realize a dynamic had just been introduced which they otherwise didn't factor in when they began pursing the option and/or the actual aggression, they then made more wise decisions to discontinue their purposed and/or actual aggressions. OK, that's a fancy way of saying: The potential and/or actual aggressors realized a person with a defensive weapon was now in the mix, of which immediately changed their disposition and course of action.
FYI ~ I've never unholstered or presented a defensive weapon for defense in all my 25 years of carrying such, nor handled upon them in the holster in public, even in these 2 instances noted. I'm just a plain ol' Joe private citizen wanting to enjoy the day with my family just like everyone else.
Above are 2 instances wherein either a potential crime was deterred or stopped, yet never 'reported'.
Thus, commenter "disappointed," of your "believe[ing that] most of the gun defenders have never been to a violent situation themselves" is partially misplaced.
To the commenter "disappointed", in regards to "violent situations" ~
I was cornered by 3 gang members in a central-California town. I have had 8 defensive weapons instantaneously turned to become offensive weapons and then pointed at me demanding my immediate allegiance to every command of police officers who mistook me for a wanted and armed robbery suspect. (And, finally, God chose to appoint my time on this earth to be during the Obama Administration; hypothetically prophetically speaking.)
Now, let's talk actual, factual statistics ~
Regarding 1,128 Enhanced Concealed Weapons Licenses in all of Idaho's 1.6 million people, that's 0.071% of the entire State's population.
Of the 6 people who are indicated has conceal carrying on the BSU campus, of the 22,000 students there, that's 0.025% of those on campus who conceal carry.
Of the 22,000 students there, 70% are under the age of 21. Thus, that makes only 6,600 students "eligible" to now lawfully conceal carry on the BSU campus come July 1, 2014.
Logically (and honestly), the statistical probability / likelihood of a person who CC's with a defensive weapon will actually be nearby when a violent crime occurs to then come to the defense of themselves or another is a mathematical percentage of, well … sorry, don't want to wear out my zero key trying to establish all the zeros to the right of the decimal point which would seemingly be necessarily to quantify such.
Of your leadership as Lt. Gov of Illinois from 1991 to 1998, and within the Illinois House and Senate in the 80's, of which the city of Chicago is recorded has having the highest murder rate in the country, please feel free to answer of your anti-defensive weapons disposition to the families of those violently raped, assaulted, or murdered throughout Chicago and/or Illinois, all the while, please keep such the disposition out of Idaho. This, to prevent such the increases of murder and/or violent crime rates from our humble State. [http://www.bet.com/news/health/2012/02/01/chicago-has-highest-murder-rate-in-the-u-s.html] Oh, and if you've not read our State of Idaho Constitution of late, please be confident in knowing that your say in legislative matters has no greater or lesser bearing (nor should have) than any other individual law-abiding Idaho citizen (Article 1, Section 10 ~ "the right to instruct our representatives").
The thing is, violence and terror do not schedule an appointment nor do they advertise when or where they will occur together.
Neither do car crashes, yet we have car insurance. Neither do house fires, yet we have fire extinguishers and homeowners insurance. Neither does cancer, yet we have (now forced...) health insurance. Neither does death, yet many carry a Bible (on my smartphone now, even.). (Yet, unfortunately, poor absence-of-fact emotions-driven and highly-biased reporting does seem to occur together, even advertising such, but I digress.)
Like I've noted in an earlier post, candidly, it'd be nice to not have to worry about bringing any kind of defensive weapon anywhere. Sadly, as history, and recently history at that, does show, we don't live in a perfect world.
As such, I'll still have my home, health, and car insurance, fire extinguishers and other defensive elements available, all of which are just that, 'defensive'. Very much needed, yet always praying I (nor anyone) ever have to use any of them.
Except for my Bible when giving testimony of my faith, which I'll gladly share any time.
Ms. Walton, should anyone state matter-of-factly that a spoon or fork is the sole cause in and of themselves, having done the action of their own inanimate object accord, to bring about someone's non-Miss America / non-supermodel figure, please feel free to shame them. For, of my rather pudgy-self / non-Mr. Universe figure, I'd love to blame the spoon or fork. Perhaps a grass-roots movement would be good toward seeking potential legislators willing to introduce legislation to ban spoons & forks such that it would bring about a wonderful abundance of Miss America or Mr. Universe figures.
Life is Precious.
I have no problem with someone carrying a concealed firearm. They have to go through training and know why and when to pull their weapon.
@Regular Joe, your grammar exhibits your lack of education and thought. You have watched one too many action movies I think. You should read the reports from the Columbine high-school armed guards who were on campus when Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed 15 people to see how things work in real life.
Believing our city is worth the investment, I feel crime is out of control. My family has had to endure 8 vanalism and all out of pocket expenses, to repair, broken windows, car tires, repaint and more. Over the last two years, noticably there is a large criminal element in town and have been here for sometime. I look at the tresure valleys most wanted frenquently and as of today there 11 wanted fugitives living in ontario. Thats just what is public. I want a better proactive approach even if it means taking away the police car and making our police department walk to emergancys.
Wait, What? You mean I can legally carry a gun on campus now, and it's not illegal? Say it aint' so, it can't be... that's impossible, because I feel so safe right now knowing that it's against school policy that a student or staff cannot carry on campus. (sarcasm)
So, the current "policy" is not a "law" and carries no penalty? Hmm... tell me again, why all of you people on campus that don't want guns on campus feel so safe right now, but will feel threatened on July 1st... I'm really curious...
And when will SNL use this nonsensical legislative behavior
to further degrade Idaho's rep? We can't go below last in the nation, can we?
The current policies regarding weapons do not have the force of law.
However, that doesn't mean that you won't be harassed about it and possibly temporarily detained.
Ok, since I seem to have stumped those that oppose campus carry with my question about how safe you feel, let me ask another one, maybe it's a simpler matter.
What is the penalty, right now... if you carry a gun on campus? What law are you breaking, and how is it enforced?
So far we have heard about the gloom and doom, with no evidence that any of what is being predicated has actually happened. We have heard the scary stories about being scared.
But none of that has happened anywhere in the US period. Campus or no campus. The ONLY place that we ever hear about criminals carrying out mass shootings is where they have a sign that says, "No Guns Allowed".
So I ask, what is it about that sign, that makes the "I don't want guns on campus" feel safe, when history has shown, that the proximity to such a sign increase's your chances of being shot?
"The really important part is learning English"????? What a lame response to the gift presented!
Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't ever. use the brain that god gave you idiot.
Is it OK to go up there now? Was thinking of going tomorrow.
I guess I'm dense, how does telling law abiding citizen's that they can't carry on campus, keep criminals from breaking the law?
And I really need someone to explain why, BSU is such a safe place, and right across the street where it is legal to carry open and concealed, all this gloom and doom that is being predicted isn't happening right now?
This is proof that going to the capitol and speaking out to the legislature is a complete waste of time. We need to remove all incumbents during the next election.
Adam Lanza was a LAW ABIDING CITIZEN before he turned into a mass school shooter.
Because that law abiding citizen can turn into a mass shooter for any given reason. We want all guns banned from campuses.
Congratulations on joining the Small Herd Exemption program. I believe Marvin Patten (head of dairy at Idaho USDA) thought that the program would be shut down in the early days due to someone getting sick from unpasteurized milk. In four years it has not happened....came close down here in Magic Valley with milk that had "Streptococcus too numerous to count" (goat owner encouraged to raise calves/pigs) and over by Idaho Falls/Pocatello..."Q-Fever" (animals doctored and healthy now). Q-Fever is a common bacteria that is everywhere.
More people are waking up to wanting natural, healthy food choices, I find. As for the dairies losing lots of milk customers to Unpasteurized (REAL) milk...no, the dairies already lost the customers as they've been going to Alternative milks (almond, coconut, soy, etc) for years now. I find most people that buy Unpasteurized milk to be VERY informed about the "risks" that MAY occur with drinking REAL milk.
Good luck in your endeavor.
Anonymous... Why does a law preventing murder, not make you feel safe, but a law that says you can't carry a gun on campus does?
Just because you don't want a gun on campus, doesn't make a criminal not carry a gun on campus. So how does limiting the rights of law abiding citizens make you more safe from a criminal that ignores that law and brings a gun on campus?
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