FoxNews Says No To Ron Paul On Debate!

[McGyver]

Seems Fox "No"News is having a televised Repubican Presidential Debate on Sunday, and they have excluded Ron Paul from this debate.

Given the fact that Ron Paul has raised more money this quarter than any of the other Republican Candidates and the fact that he finished 5th with 10% of the vote in Iowa, why in Hell is Fox News inviting Giuliani, who received 3.5% but not Ron Paul?

Seems this little snub has angered the Paul supports, and rightfully so, who responded by flooding a Fox News Web page on the debate with over 580 comments and creating a "Protest Fox" Web site. It says: "We need to send a message to Fox's Rupert Murdoch & his fellow Neocon buddies that he is not Musharraf and the US is not Pakistan, YET!"

"Fox News cannot just stifle public opinion and debate and impact a primary election by excluding Ron Paul just because they don't like his message of freedom and liberty."

So why the exclusion? As usual, Fox News hasn't exactly been forthcoming on this point.

Seems Ron Paul said he thinks it's because he--alone among Republican candidates--opposes the war in Iraq. After being excluded, Paul explained that he views Fox News as a "propagandist" for the war with editorial views that are hardly in keeping with traditional conservative limited-government principles, according to a story by the Boston Globe.

Adding to Fox's Stupidity, is that the New Hampshire Republican Party, which is co-sponsoring the debate and presumably has some say in who's invited, published a statement this week saying the media should not be in the "business of excluding serious candidates and talks were continuing with Fox."

And adding to the insult, at least for Paul supporters, is that ABC News is sponsoring a debate at the same place--Saint Anselm College--the evening before. Unlike the Fox News debate on Sunday, however, Ron Paul will be invited to participate.

FOX NEWS IS MOST DEFINITELY A PROPAGANDIST NEWS SOURCE AND SHOULD BE CONSIDERED ENTERTAINMENT, AND DEFINITELY NOT NEWS!

[Old Round Guy]

A while before my wife died we participated in a form of the Neilson TV rating system. That was even before I tuned in to news and politics as I do now.

There were about a dozen tv programs that I wouldn't allow my kids to watch, or my ET's (Extra Teenagers as opposed to ExtraTerrestials, though it's hard to tell the difference sometimes) to watch. If they came on and the kids didn't change the channel I told them to do so or turn the tube OFF. 8 of those programs were on FOX television.

I say no to anything Faux airs.

[McGyver]

Well, I have never been a Fox NoNews Fan, However, what I REALLY object to is that FNN and Murdoch think THEY can "NO ONLY REPORT.....BUT "DECIDE" WHO THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE U.S. WILL BE!



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[Drivesme]

fox is considered a joke in the industry.
Never has been taken seriously.

[JIMV]

True....when you get any group of leftists, socialists and quasi communists in a room they reach that conclusion...of course the public voting with their clickers, says different.

[McGyver]

True....when you get any group of leftists, socialists and quasi communists in a room they reach that conclusion...of course the public voting with their clickers, says different.

Jim, Sure Fox has good ratings....but then so does "The Simpsons" and so does "American Idol!" THAT does not make THEM a Credible News Source, and neither is FoxNoNews!

Just because they have a lot of No Neck Nascar Illiterates brain washed, does NOT make them a viable News Source. Hell Jim, You gotta be blind not see ALL the jokes everywhere you look about Fox's BLATANT PRO REPUBLICAN Partisanship! Saturday Night Live had a GREAT One with a sign that said "BushTV." Hell, Fox no longer even has the credibility to run a Decent Presidential Debate (except for Republicans!) Everyone KNOWS they "CANNOT" be fair!

They ARE the Laughing Stock of their own Industry! Fox is a Joke! As is O'Reilly, Hannity and Murdoch! You can't be caught making THAT MANY "mistakes" (?) and still be considered a Credible News Source!



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[JIMV]

I see, what makes a credible news source is a lack of audience, a perception of leftward bias, and approval by an approved leftist source, like the NY Times, or a noted leftist intelectual, like Michael Moore.

Interesting and entertaining.:rolleyes:

[Drivesme]

True....when you get any group of leftists, socialists and quasi communists in a room they reach that conclusion...of course the public voting with their clickers, says different.

And their clickers are going to other networks, in droves.
Cable news in general isn't any sort of threat to the big three, and people are leaving cable news as fast as they can, but fox is losing more than any other cable network.

So jimmy you got part of your answer correct, the first part is nothing but your standard "lather, rinse, repeat" nonsense that only the blind partisan lemming nut jobs believe.

[JIMV]

And their clickers are going to other networks, in droves.
Cable news in general isn't any sort of threat to the big three, and people are leaving cable news as fast as they can, but fox is losing more than any other cable network.

So jimmy you got part of your answer correct, the first part is nothing but your standard "lather, rinse, repeat" nonsense that only the blind partisan lemming nut jobs believe.

They still get more viewers than all three of the leftist news networks combined, and no one takes 16 minutes of 'news' once a night on the old media networks as a serious competition.

[Drivesme]

They still get more viewers than all three of the leftist news networks combined, and no one takes 16 minutes of 'news' once a night on the old media networks as a serious competition.
First off, you are of course, wrong and second you are wrong.

Blind partisan lemmings are never correct jimmy.

[McGyver]

Interesting and entertaining.

EXACTLY RIGHT JIM!!!.....You finally got It!....THAT's Exactly What FoxNoNews is: "Interesting and Entertaining"........Just "NOT" A CREDIBLE NEWS SOURCE! Ergo the high ratings, just like "American Idol" and "The Simpsons!" OK, Well, maybe NOT as interesting and entertaining as The Simpsons! :D



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[JIMV]

EXACTLY RIGHT JIM!!!.....You finally got It!....THAT's Exactly What FoxNoNews is: "Interesting and Entertaining"........Just "NOT" A CREDIBLE NEWS SOURCE! Ergo the high ratings, just like "American Idol" and "The Simpsons!" OK, Well, maybe NOT as interesting and entertaining as The Simpsons! :D



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And watched by more folk than any of the liberal propaganda services are...

[Drivesme]

And watched by more folk than any of the liberal propaganda services are...
Wrong jimmy, not only with your made up 'fact' but also the myth of the 'liberal' media!
lather, rinse, repeat!

[JIMV]

Wrong jimmy, not only with your made up 'fact' but also the myth of the 'liberal' media!
lather, rinse, repeat!

Good heavens! Do I have to demonstrate this as well?

Bias -

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070809222839.jzdcwmy8&show_article=1

Viewership -

http://tvbythenumbers.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/102307cablenewsviewersprimetime.thumbnail.gif

Game, set match

[Drivesme]

Game, set match
LOL!!
Not hardly my little lemming, not even close!

Your quote, "And watched by more folk, blah blah blah"
Is not true, cable viewer ship is well below network, as I have stated, and which we were discussing.

No one really cares about cable because it doesn't matter and it never has.
GOPnews is the laughing stock of television..period.

[McGyver]

Sure Fox has good ratings....but then so does "The Simpsons" and so does "American Idol!" THAT does not make THEM a Credible News Source, and neither is FoxNoNews!

[QUOTE=JIMV;29584]And watched by more folk than any of the liberal propaganda services are...

My Gosh Jim.....Do You suffer from a reading comprehension disorder, or are you just ignoring the part of the post you can't answer in your own favor? Read from the top, and look at just how non-sensical your answer is.....?????

What part of......"Sure Fox has good ratings....but then so does "The Simpsons" and so does "American Idol!" THAT does not make THEM a Credible News Source..." don't you understand?????

It's simple Jim....We agree...Fox has good ratings....better than cable news shows....but then so do The Simpsons and American Idol....Interesting and entertaining TV always has better ratings than do "Hard Factual (therefore more boring) REAL News Shows.

[lenny]

Fox News' Snub of Paul Could Trigger New Hampshire Blowback (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-simon/fox-news-snub-of-paul-co_b_80138.html)

Ron Paul is sort of like a porcupine; a porcupine looks cuddly and cute, but if you try to step on one you're liable to wind up with a few holes in your foot.

Rudy Giuliani was the first to step. It happened in the May 15 Fox debate, when Giuliani attempted to bully Paul into retracting his assertion that interventionist foreign policy causes terrorism. Paul responded by introducing a new, desperately needed term into the presidential primary marketplace of ideas: "Blowback."

Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire is the title of a 2000 book by Chalmers Johnson. In a chapter called "Stealth Imperialism," Johnson begins by asserting that "present American policy is seeding resentments that are bound to breed attempts at revenge." By now, most Americans have heard this argument many times and in many different forms, and it appears to be sinking in. But apparently nobody had ever had the guts to say anything like that with Giuliani in earshot....

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I have to strongly agree with this statement from the opinion piece above: "The decision to exclude Paul was so indefensible, following his record-breaking fundraising efforts and a double-digit result in Iowa, that the New Hampshire GOP withdrew as a partner in the forum." Fox news clearly has an agenda here and that is to do whatever they can to weaken Paul's run for the Presidency...which of course is the same agenda all the other big networks have -- protect their own interests no matter how harmful it might be to the average American.

In the past I've done work for certain people, usually older but not always, and when you go into their house there are literally 2-4 T.V. sets, usually one for every room that time is spent in (minus the bathroom or closet but you can still clearly hear what's being said on the T.V.'s), and every channel is set to fox news with the volume turned up to an abnormally high level. So I might spend 1-5 hours inside their home, and after listening to the constant drumbeat of propaganda for that long it just blows my mind. It's just blatant fear-mongering, propaganda, and is not in any way journalism. If they do manage to change the channel it's usually to something like "court T.V."...I think the court reality T.V.-like shows are more interactive for a lot of their viewers (and keep in mind that these people are always hopped-up on a staggering amount of prescription drugs), as they'll cast disparaging opinions out loud on whichever particular trailer-trash person they side against. They'll even look to me for reassurance or ask my opinion, and of course, I'll just nod my head or agree with what they said. Crazy shit, and I never go back to these places because it's not worth the money, and really, it's simply bizarre. I suppose what's so disturbing to me is that these people are clearly fucked up in the head, but yet they still, for the most part...function. They drive a car, go shopping, cook, vote, etc., but their condition is completely unnecessary and I would guess is a creation of a massive dose of powerful medication in combination with a massive dose of powerful, flashy propaganda. There might have been similar examples of people like this in the 90's and 80's, but nothing like what has been created in this day and age.

Anyway, I know that that doesn't represent all of Fox's viewership as I'm sure some are more skilled at employing skepticism and are less medicated, but I really do believe a significant number of Fox's viewers are of the zombie-like kind I've tried to describe above. It's always common to hear people point out that Fox news is shit and obvious propaganda, but if you ever get the chance you should watch it from like 9 am to 1 pm or whatever. I really think the day time version is keyed to the retired people who are so afraid of everything.

[Bruce McAuley]

Very young children are noticeably attracted to Fox News because of the colors and music.
Reminds me of the Tele-Tubbies. Keep it simple with loud colors and dazzle 'em with the mind-eating windmill flashes...
"Uh-Oh!"
Now we go to Tinky-Winky in The Situation Room with a Special Report by La-La as she tries to make sense of Dipsy's run for President.:rolleyes:
"Big Hug!"
"Bye-Bye!"
Be Happy, Citizens!
And now a word from our sponsor and we'll be back with a new report from Po on the front lines in Afghanistan, and he'll finish up with a Special Commentary about the War on Terrorist Tele-Tubbies.
"Uh-Oh!"
:cool:

Bruce

[JIMV]

Not exactly Drivesme, you wrote:

And their clickers are going to other networks, in droves.
Cable news in general isn't any sort of threat to the big three, and people are leaving cable news as fast as they can, but fox is losing more than any other cable network

I responded as follows:

They still get more viewers than all three of the leftist news networks combined, and no one takes 16 minutes of 'news' once a night on the old media networks as a serious competition

Making it VERY clear that I was referencing the cable news networks and not the old and sad media.

You responded with a gratuitous and meaningless insult.

You became insistent with this masterpiece:

Wrong jimmy, not only with your made up 'fact' but also the myth of the 'liberal' media!
lather, rinse, repeat!

Pretending it again had some meaning beyond the silliness.

As I had not made up any data, and as the liberal media bias is well established and demonstrated by Rasmussen and PEW, I posted links and the following chart, again definitive.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/102307cablenewsviewersprimetime.thumbnail.gif

You then again tried to bring the issue to the old media:

Your quote, "And watched by more folk, blah blah blah"
Is not true, cable viewer ship is well below network, as I have stated, and which we were discussing.

YOU were discussing the old, dinosaur media, not I. I was discussing the cable news outlets, and I have proven my point.

Then McGyver chips in from the sidelines and gets the issue wrong mixing the apples of the Fox news network with the entertainment of the Fox network…sad.

[McGyver]

Then McGyver chips in from the sidelines and gets the issue wrong mixing the apples of the Fox news network with the entertainment of the Fox network…

Oh Trust Me....I wasn't confused at all. The ONLY difference between FoxNoNews and Fox Entertainment Network.....is One is mostly XXX rated and the other one has naked ladies and foul language. :D But they're Both PURE ENTERTAINMENT! :D



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[Drivesme]

Not exactly Drivesme, you wrote:



I responded as follows:



Making it VERY clear that I was referencing the cable news networks and not the old and sad media.

You responded with a gratuitous and meaningless insult.

You became insistent with this masterpiece:



Pretending it again had some meaning beyond the silliness.

As I had not made up any data, and as the liberal media bias is well established and demonstrated by Rasmussen and PEW, I posted links and the following chart, again definitive.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/102307cablenewsviewersprimetime.thumbnail.gif

You then again tried to bring the issue to the old media:



YOU were discussing the old, dinosaur media, not I. I was discussing the cable news outlets, and I have proven my point.

Then McGyver chips in from the sidelines and gets the issue wrong mixing the apples of the Fox news network with the entertainment of the Fox network…sad.

Gee jimmy you sure get your little hackles up when things don't quite go your way don't you??:D

You stepped on your d**k, no big deal jimmy, just admit it and move on.
I know you have to believe in the 'liberal' media myth and you also have to believe that GOPnews is somehow legitimate, but you are not going to get anyone else to buy into the idea.
GOPnews is, and trust me on this, the laughing stock of the television industry. (I know because I work in television!)
No one takes them seriously, no one, not even the people that work for GOPnews.

[JIMV]

Gee jimmy you sure get your little hackles up when things don't quite go your way don't you??:D

You stepped on your d**k, no big deal jimmy, just admit it and move on.
I know you have to believe in the 'liberal' media myth and you also have to believe that GOPnews is somehow legitimate, but you are not going to get anyone else to buy into the idea.
GOPnews is, and trust me on this, the laughing stock of the television industry. (I know because I work in television!)
No one takes them seriously, no one, not even the people that work for GOPnews.

actually, they went exactly my way. You just refuse to admit it.

[Erika]

KO and Countdown is one of the few cable TV shows that offer perspective.

Faux was a novelty for a while. Hate speak only goes so far.

Most of us want a United nation. Faux is fringe radical.

[freewolf46]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6737097743434902428&q=outfoxed&total=292&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[Drivesme]

actually, they went exactly my way. You just refuse to admit it.
Whatever you say jimmy, whatever you say.:rolleyes:

[NuclearShadows]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6737097743434902428&q=outfoxed&total=292&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

I wish you would stop posting your traitorous liberal garbage on this site.

http://eightandfive.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/big-brother001.jpg

[Bruce McAuley]

http://www.mat.upm.es/~jcm/Pogo.jpg
:D

Bruce

[JIMV]

KO and Countdown is one of the few cable TV shows that offer perspective.

Faux was a novelty for a while. Hate speak only goes so far.

Most of us want a United nation. Faux is fringe radical.

read your post and then tell me about 'fringe' and 'united'. It often appears the left is all for consencus, as long as they do not have to negotiate, compromise, or change their views at all.:D

[Drivesme]

read your post and then tell me about 'fringe' and 'united'. It often appears the left is all for consencus, as long as they do not have to negotiate, compromise, or change their views at all.:D
Lather, rinse, repeat.:rolleyes:

[JIMV]

Lather, rinse, repeat.:rolleyes:

Need I say more...proof on demand:D