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McGyver
01-25-2008, 01:10 PM
As I have stated here many times in the past....I really don't have a "Favorite" in the Democratic Race for President. With the Exceptional Three Candidates running in the Democratic Party, I just feel I can't lose. However, I thought this was an "interesting" take on The Washington Times' Choice of Hillary Clinton as their Democratic Endorsement for President:

January 25, 2008
Editorial
Primary Choices: Hillary Clinton
This generally is the stage of a campaign when Democrats have to work hard to get excited about whichever candidate seems most likely to outlast an uninspiring pack. That is not remotely the case this year.

The early primaries produced two powerful main contenders: Hillary Clinton, the brilliant if at times harsh-sounding senator from New York; and Barack Obama, the incandescent if still undefined senator from Illinois. The remaining long shot, John Edwards, has enlivened the race with his own brand of raw populism.

As Democrats look ahead to the primaries in the biggest states on Feb. 5, The Times’s editorial board strongly recommends that they select Hillary Clinton as their nominee for the 2008 presidential election.

We have enjoyed hearing Mr. Edwards’s fiery oratory, but we cannot support his candidacy. The former senator from North Carolina has repudiated so many of his earlier positions, so many of his Senate votes, that we’re not sure where he stands. We certainly don’t buy the notion that he can hold back the tide of globalization.

By choosing Mrs. Clinton, we are not denying Mr. Obama’s appeal or his gifts. The idea of the first African-American nominee of a major party also is exhilarating, and so is the prospect of the first woman nominee. “Firstness” is not a reason to choose. The times that false choice has been raised, more often by Mrs. Clinton, have tarnished the campaign.

Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton would both help restore America’s global image, to which President Bush has done so much grievous harm. They are committed to changing America’s role in the world, not just its image.

On the major issues, there is no real gulf separating the two. They promise an end to the war in Iraq, more equitable taxation, more effective government spending, more concern for social issues, a restoration of civil liberties and an end to the politics of division of George W. Bush and Karl Rove. (AMEN BROTHER!)

Mr. Obama has built an exciting campaign around the notion of change, but holds no monopoly on ideas that would repair the governing of America. Mrs. Clinton sometimes overstates the importance of résumé. Hearing her talk about the presidency, her policies and answers for America’s big problems, we are hugely impressed by the depth of her knowledge, by the force of her intellect and by the breadth of, yes, her experience.

It is unfair, especially after seven years of Mr. Bush’s inept leadership, but any Democrat will face tougher questioning about his or her fitness to be commander in chief. Mrs. Clinton has more than cleared that bar, using her years in the Senate well to immerse herself in national security issues, and has won the respect of world leaders and many in the American military. She would be a strong commander in chief.

Domestically, Mrs. Clinton has tackled complex policy issues, sometimes failing. She has shown a willingness to learn and change. Her current proposals on health insurance reflect a clear shift from her first, famously disastrous foray into the issue. She has learned that powerful interests cannot simply be left out of the meetings. She understands that all Americans must be covered — but must be allowed to choose their coverage, including keeping their current plans. Mr. Obama may also be capable of tackling such issues, but we have not yet seen it. Voters have to judge candidates not just on the promise they hold, but also on the here and now.

The sense of possibility, of a generational shift, rouses Mr. Obama’s audiences and not just through rhetorical flourishes. He shows voters that he understands how much they hunger for a break with the Bush years, for leadership and vision and true bipartisanship. We hunger for that, too. But we need more specifics to go with his amorphous promise of a new governing majority, a clearer sense of how he would govern.

The potential upside of a great Obama presidency is enticing, but this country faces huge problems, and will no doubt be facing more that we can’t foresee. The next president needs to start immediately on challenges that will require concrete solutions, resolve, and the ability to make government work. Mrs. Clinton is more qualified, right now, to be president.

We opposed President Bush’s decision to invade Iraq and we disagree with Mrs. Clinton’s vote for the resolution on the use of force. That’s not the issue now; it is how the war will be ended. Mrs. Clinton seems not only more aware than Mr. Obama of the consequences of withdrawal, but is already thinking through the diplomatic and military steps that will be required to contain Iraq’s chaos after American troops leave.

On domestic policy, both candidates would turn the government onto roughly the same course — shifting resources to help low-income and middle-class Americans, and broadening health coverage dramatically. Mrs. Clinton also has good ideas about fixing the dysfunction in Mr. Bush’s No Child Left Behind education program.

Mr. Obama talks more about the damage Mr. Bush has done to civil liberties, the rule of law and the balance of powers. Mrs. Clinton is equally dedicated to those issues, and more prepared for the Herculean task of figuring out exactly where, how and how often the government’s powers have been misused — and what must now be done to set things right.

As strongly as we back her candidacy, we urge Mrs. Clinton to take the lead in changing the tone of the campaign. It is not good for the country, the Democratic Party or for Mrs. Clinton, who is often tagged as divisive, in part because of bitter feeling about her husband’s administration and the so-called permanent campaign. (Indeed, Bill Clinton’s overheated comments are feeding those resentments, and could do long-term damage to her candidacy if he continues this way.)

We know that she is capable of both uniting and leading. We saw her going town by town through New York in 2000, including places where Clinton-bashing was a popular sport. She won over skeptical voters and then delivered on her promises and handily won re-election in 2006.

Mrs. Clinton must now do the same job with a broad range of America’s voters. She will have to let Americans see her power to listen and lead, but she won’t be able to do it town by town.

When we endorsed Mrs. Clinton in 2006, we were certain she would continue to be a great senator, but since her higher ambitions were evident, we wondered if she could present herself as a leader to the nation.

Her ideas, her comeback in New Hampshire and strong showing in Nevada, her new openness to explaining herself and not just her programs, and her abiding, powerful intellect show she is fully capable of doing just that. She is the best choice for the Democratic Party as it tries to regain the White House.

Bruce McAuley
01-25-2008, 05:04 PM
Intrade Presidential Market - Jan 17

Fri Jan 18, 5:59 AM ET

The market is largely unchanged after last nights Michigan primaries and still heavily favours a Democratic victory on November.

Hillary Clinton remains the market leader, although her current price of 37.2 is a slight drop of 0.5 points from last week's value of 37.7. Barack Obama also suffered a small slide in value, with his current price of 24.0 a 0.9-point slip from last week's value of 24.9.

While the Democrats have remained steady, there has been movement among the Republicans. Following his victory in Michigan Mitt Romney has seen a nice bump in value. He is currently trading at 7.3, which is up 3.3 points form his value of 4.0 last weeks, and up 2.9 points from his value of 4.4 on the eve of the primary.

John McCain has slipped in value after finishing second to Romney. His current price of 14.7 is down 5.3 points from his value of 20.0 coming into Michigan, and down 1.4 points from his price of 16.1 a week ago.

Rudy Giuliani is currently trading at 8.3. This is up from his price of 6.5 before the Michigan primary, but down from his value of 11.4 seven days ago.


Bruce

McGyver
01-25-2008, 05:43 PM
Yes, Senator Clinton sure does seem like a "Front Runner." Hell, even during the Republican Debate, they were all attacking Senator Clinton. The only reason I would like to see Senator Clinton win over either of the other two Candidates, is that I would LOVE to see the "Sick" look on all these Male Chauvenist Republicans IF she were to get elected. It would be well worth the price of admission!

I can just hear Chris Matthews, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage having coronaries right before our very eyes! Yep, might be worth a look see! :D



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Erika
01-26-2008, 12:51 AM
But he's still gung ho on attacking Hillary. In watching some of the shows, it is very evident that the WASP male doesn't want a woman challenging them. It rubs them to the core the wrong way.

Quite sad. Go Hillary.

NuclearShadows
01-26-2008, 11:10 AM
Yes, Senator Clinton sure does seem like a "Front Runner." Hell, even during the Republican Debate, they were all attacking Senator Clinton. The only reason I would like to see Senator Clinton win over either of the other two Candidates, is that I would LOVE to see the "Sick" look on all these Male Chauvenist Republicans IF she were to get elected. It would be well worth the price of admission!

I can just hear Chris Matthews, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage having coronaries right before our very eyes! Yep, might be worth a look see! :D



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Just interested if you could articulate why, if any reason, you choose Hillary over Edwards? Thanks

GUS
01-26-2008, 11:31 AM
Please be aware that Barack Obama supports nuclear power development:
http://alternativeenergy.com/#null

NuclearShadows
01-26-2008, 11:50 AM
Please be aware that Barack Obama supports nuclear power development:
http://alternativeenergy.com/#null

Powering America’s Future:
Hillary Clinton’s Plan to Address the Energy and Climate Crisis (http://www.hillaryclinton.com/files/pdf/poweringamericasfuture.pdf)

Addressing Nuclear Power: Hillary believes that energy efficiency and renewables are better options for addressing global warming and meeting our future power needs, because of significant unresolved concerns about the cost of producing nuclear power, the safety of operating plants, waste disposal, and nuclear proliferation. Hillary opposes new subsidies for nuclear power, but believes that we need to take additional steps to deal with the problems facing nuclear power. She would strengthen the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and direct it to improve safety and security at nuclear power plants; terminate work at the flawed Yucca Mountain site and convene a panel of scientific experts to explore alternatives for disposing of nuclear waste; and continue research, with a focus on lower costs and improving safety.

NuclearShadows
01-26-2008, 11:55 AM
Edwards opposes all new coal and nuclear power plants (http://www.johnedwards.com/issues/energy/clean-energy/)

McGyver
01-26-2008, 01:33 PM
Just interested if you could articulate why, if any reason, you choose Hillary over Edwards? Thanks

NuclearShadows:

There are absolutely None! Because I don't. If you read my initial statement in the Opening Thread, I clearly state, and have done so several times on this forum, that I have no "First Choice" candidate when it comes to the Democrats, because I feel they are ALL Exceptional Presidential Candidates, and that includes Biden, Richardson, and most definitely Kucinich. So again as I have said several times..."I Can's Lose!" I'll take anyone one of those Candidates any day any time.

GUS
01-26-2008, 05:24 PM
For more on the nuke menace, please see the local anti-nuke citizen group's new website, IDAHO FAMILIES FOR THE SAFEST ENERGY : www.myidahoenergy.com.

JIMV
01-26-2008, 07:37 PM
Hillary just got slaughtered in SC, beat two to one....

NuclearShadows
01-27-2008, 09:24 AM
NuclearShadows:

There are absolutely None! Because I don't. If you read my initial statement in the Opening Thread, I clearly state, and have done so several times on this forum, that I have no "First Choice" candidate when it comes to the Democrats, because I feel they are ALL Exceptional Presidential Candidates, and that includes Biden, Richardson, and most definitely Kucinich. So again as I have said several times..."I Can's Lose!" I'll take anyone one of those Candidates any day any time.
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