State of the Union

[JIMV]

Great speech! The dems look constipated in comparison, rousing applause, even on the war. Citing the successes on the war....Pelosi looks like she has a cactus up the Butt....;)

'It is Al Qaeda looking for safe passage out'

"Al qaeda is on the run in Iraq and this enemy will be defeated" Rousing and raucus applause from Americans...some traitors silent.

[GUS]

Even a blind hog finds an acorn occassionally!

Great speech! The dems look constipated in comparison, rousing applause, even on the war. Citing the successes on the war....Pelosi looks like she has a cactus up the Butt....;)

'It is Al Qaeda looking for safe passage out'

"Al qaeda is on the run in Iraq and this enemy will be defeated" Rousing and raucus applause from Americans...some traitors silent.

[JIMV]

Very good speech...the bit on earmarks pissed off both sides but there is little they can do about it.

[McGyver]

Great speech! The dems look constipated in comparison, rousing applause, even on the war. Citing the successes on the war....Pelosi looks like she has a cactus up the Butt.

"Al qaeda is on the run in Iraq and this enemy will be defeated" Rousing and raucus applause from Americans...some traitors silent.

Jim,

You must have been listening to a totally different speech than I did. To me it was "warmed over" SOTU speeches that Bush has done time and time again, using the very same words (mispronounced, of course) over and over again. I believe there were NINE "exact repeats" of previous Bush SOTU addresses. Not sure how THAT could get YOU so excited? You must be used to eating a lot of "Leftovers!" :D The rest of the speech was defensive, backward looking and a lot of posturing and political positioning. And of course his usual "We'll be in Iraq until the end of times" speech!

Oh Well, it won't be long now. The ONE Good Thing about THIS State of the Union Address, is that it is BUSH's LAST! HOORAY!

BTW Jim, First of all, AlQaeda was not even in Iraq before Bush attacked Iraq. And second, IF Al Qaeda is doing any "running," they're running right back to Afghanistan! Jerking Bush around and around as they go back and forth!

Also, I find it interesting Jim, how almost everyone of your posts manages to somehow Bash either Senator Clinton's or Speaker Pelosi's appearance. Is that because they're women Jim? Or is it because they're Women with More Power than YOU and you find that totally unbearable?

BTW, I notice you failed to mention how Cheney looked like he had just shot his best friend in the face with his rifle! :D



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[Erika]

Fear, fear, far, cower, cower, cower, What a total junior high boy jerk. About the time he or his wife or girls might face combat in his stupid needless wars might have changed his mind. But they are the elitists, they only order war, but never serve.

[JIMV]

In short, a great speech from a fine man.

[McGyver]

In short, a great speech from a fine man.

ROFLMAO....It's a good thing you're typing this on the Internet Jim....As We all know you could not say these words with a straight face. I know that when I read it, I burst out laughing! :D Even the Republican Pundits are calling it a "LAME, LAME DUCK SOTU! Your statement above says much more about YOU than it does about Bush. ;)

[Erika]

At least its peoples. The bushbots will still clamor some. They simply can't take responsibility they elected and supported the idiot they did. Blank them.

[NuclearShadows]

nothing new.
half truths.

The dems were cowering church mice and the repubs were their typical selves, little obedient lap dogs....

arf arf

[freewolf46]

I didn't get to see it when it was broadcast but I read the entire transcript later and then later started watching it on MSNBC. I got about half way through and had to stop because it was nothing but a bunch of meaningless trash and I personally just can't stand looking at the guy anymore. He is a self serving maniac who thinks he is almost God and the reality is that he is a loser and wannabe dictator.


I listened to Joe Biden's opinion of the speech later, and found I agreed with his opinion of the speech. Out of touch with reality.

[NuclearShadows]

I didn't get to see it when it was broadcast but I read the entire transcript later and then later started watching it on MSNBC. I got about half way through and had to stop because it was nothing but a bunch of meaningless trash and I personally just can't stand looking at the guy anymore. He is a self serving maniac who thinks he is almost God and the reality is that he is a loser and wannabe dictator.


I listened to Joe Biden's opinion of the speech later, and found I agreed with his opinion of the speech. Out of touch with reality.

Biden response from YouTube (http://youtube.com/watch?v=2zAIoVWeoKk) for those who wish to hear..

[JIMV]

I didn't get to see it when it was broadcast but I read the entire transcript later and then later started watching it on MSNBC. I got about half way through and had to stop because it was nothing but a bunch of meaningless trash and I personally just can't stand looking at the guy anymore. He is a self serving maniac who thinks he is almost God and the reality is that he is a loser and wannabe dictator.


I listened to Joe Biden's opinion of the speech later, and found I agreed with his opinion of the speech. Out of touch with reality.

When one finds oneself agreeing with 'BabblingBiden' it is time for a meds check:D

The first half was mostly a list of programs and ideas the President can effect in the last year. The second half was a reminder of our rnemy and the errors of the anti_American left and their insistence we lose a war.

Both bits were pretty good.

[NuclearShadows]

The second half was a reminder of our rnemy and the errors of the anti_American left and their insistence we lose a war.

you mean the 79% of Americans who don't agree with you?

[JIMV]

Got a link to that number? The absolute worse I have read was in the low 60's and right now the presidents disapproval numbers are 61.7%, down from the high of 66%. This compares to a congressional disapproval of 70%, almost a record.

[NuclearShadows]

Got a link to that number? The absolute worse I have read was in the low 60's and right now the presidents disapproval numbers are 61.7%, down from the high of 66%. This compares to a congressional disapproval of 70%, almost a record.

Okay, some say as high as 69% (http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm)
But let us just say that you are right.
So then you mean the 66% are the "anti_American left and their insistence we lose a war." ??

[Bruce McAuley]

I watched a few minutes of the SOTU with the sound off, and he looked just the same so we changed the channel. We can't stand to look at him any longer than necessary either, and what could he say that was new, after all?
Nothing, and that's what he said, from the rehash overnight.
Junk, culled from 7 other years of junk.
You gotta have some kinda BushLove going on, Jim. This certainly shows me how concentrated your Kool-Aid fix is.:eek:

Bruce

[Old Round Guy]

NS, thanks for that link. I reposted it on another forum.

[GUS]

In February 2001, President Bush delivered an economic address to a joint session of Congress, a year later, he delivered his first State of the Union address at a time when his approval rating was near it's highest point.

Below is a look at his approval rating in the Gallup Poll around the time of each speech.

-February 2001: 62 percent approval.
-January 2002: 84 percent.
-January 2003: 60 percent.
-January 2004: 53 percent.
-February 2005: 51 percent.
-January 2006: 43 percent.
-January 2007: 36 percent.
-January 2008: 32 percent.

If Bush gives enough handouts to Americans he may be able to HOLD ON in the 30s although he continues on further to debt and debase the USA. Dumbya has asked for $196.4 billion to fuel his combat operations this fiscal years which adds to the $700 billion already spent for the Iraq oil war and Afghanistan. This Republican administration certainly is SPEND SPEND SPEND with little concern for the interior needs of our nation. Speaking of interior, it appears that Dork Kempthorne may have been hidden in the closet during the Bush's inane State of the Union distress, oops I mean address.

[McGyver]

Got a link to that number? The absolute worse I have read was in the low 60's and right now the presidents disapproval numbers are 61.7%, down from the high of 66%. This compares to a congressional disapproval of 70%, almost a record.

Jim,

As usual, you're missing the entire point, while trying to argue semantics.

The point is, that " according to the latest NBC/WSJ poll. Just 31% approve of his job as president, 29% approve of his handling of the economy, 28% approve of his handling of Iraq, and 32% view him positively versus 57% who see him in a negative light. What's more, 62% prefer Congress (whose approval rating stands at 18%) taking the lead role in setting policy for the country, compared with 21% who want Bush to do so. Finally, a whopping 70% of respondents believe that Bush's presidency will turn out either worse than most or not as good as most as the past several presidencies. By comparison, 45% said this of Bill Clinton in January of 1999.

Basically Jim, that puts You in the 30% Percentile! Must be lonely at the bottom.

[JIMV]

Okay, some say as high as 69% (http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm)
But let us just say that you are right.
So then you mean the 66% are the "anti_American left and their insistence we lose a war." ??

That is the Presidents disaproval number. The number on the war is far lower and somewhere in the low 50's, a far cry from the 79% clamed.

A recurring problem with the left is a tendency to ruin their argument by inflating numbers. The examples are legion...the Iraq war casualty numbersare routinely doubled. The cost of the war is invented, gun grabbers make up numbers (my favorite is the 13 'children' killed by gns every day from the Brady Bunch. The actual number is under 1.5).

Because of that, when somene makes a claim way out of line, I ask for the numbers and a link. I seldom get it.

[Bruce McAuley]

As Bush says Al Qaeda is on the run in Iraq in the SOTU.
So either the Aussies think it's OK to leave BECAUSE he says that,
OR
They think he's full of poop and are getting out while the getting's good.
I pick the second reason.
Jim will probably pick the first reason, because we're WINNING!!!!
:rolleyes:

Bruce

[JIMV]

In February 2001, President Bush delivered an economic address to a joint session of Congress, a year later, he delivered his first State of the Union address at a time when his approval rating was near it's highest point.

Below is a look at his approval rating in the Gallup Poll around the time of each speech.

-February 2001: 62 percent approval.
-January 2002: 84 percent.
-January 2003: 60 percent.
-January 2004: 53 percent.
-February 2005: 51 percent.
-January 2006: 43 percent.
-January 2007: 36 percent.
-January 2008: 32 percent.

If Bush gives enough handouts to Americans he may be able to HOLD ON in the 30s although he continues on further to debt and debase the USA. Dumbya has asked for $196.4 billion to fuel his combat operations this fiscal years which adds to the $700 billion already spent for the Iraq oil war and Afghanistan. This Republican administration certainly is SPEND SPEND SPEND with little concern for the interior needs of our nation. Speaking of interior, it appears that Dork Kempthorne may have been hidden in the closet during the Bush's inane State of the Union distress, oops I mean address.

Actually, Bush's numbers have gone up over the last 6 months to a bit more than 34% per Real Clear

[JIMV]

Jim,

As usual, you're missing the entire point, while trying to argue semantics.

The point is, that " according to the latest NBC/WSJ poll. Just 31% approve of his job as president, 29% approve of his handling of the economy, 28% approve of his handling of Iraq, and 32% view him positively versus 57% who see him in a negative light. What's more, 62% prefer Congress (whose approval rating stands at 18%) taking the lead role in setting policy for the country, compared with 21% who want Bush to do so. Finally, a whopping 70% of respondents believe that Bush's presidency will turn out either worse than most or not as good as most as the past several presidencies. By comparison, 45% said this of Bill Clinton in January of 1999.

Basically Jim, that puts You in the 30% Percentile! Must be lonely at the bottom.

Got a link to the poll...I suspect the oversampled dems again.

[Bruce McAuley]

"Actually, Bush's numbers have gone up over the last 6 months to a bit more than 34% per Real Clear."-Jim
So you claim he's simply not tanking as fast as some others, but he's still tanking?
Sad if that'sa the best that can be sadi for the man.
But hey!...:eek:

Bruce

[JIMV]

"Actually, Bush's numbers have gone up over the last 6 months to a bit more than 34% per Real Clear."-Jim
So you claim he's simply not tanking as fast as some others, but he's still tanking?
Sad if that'sa the best that can be sadi for the man.
But hey!...:eek:

Bruce

His numbers are better than Trumans when he left office. Note the trend....Bush up, congress down. That is not good in an election year.

[Bruce McAuley]

These numbers don't mean squat.
In the end Romney will win since the Republicans control the voting machines. Doesn't matter Bush's numbers.
"It's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes."-Misattributed to Josef Stalin, more likely Boss Tweed.

Bruce

[GUS]

Recall that Richard Nixon’s approval rating in the summer of 1973 (when the Watergate scandal was in full swing) was 39%. Compared to Bush, that’s downright sunny. As to why congress policies are so wildly unpopular it's the deadly, directionless, bankrupting War in Iraq. Upping minimum wage has been the only positive this year.

His numbers are better than Trumans when he left office. Note the trend....Bush up, congress down. That is not good in an election year.

[McGyver]

His numbers are better than Trumans when he left office. Note the trend....Bush up, congress down. That is not good in an election year.

And just what exactly do you have to say about this trend:


62% prefer Congress (whose approval rating stands at 18%) taking the lead role in setting policy for the country, compared with 21% who want Bush to do so. Finally, a whopping 70% of respondents believe that Bush's presidency will turn out either worse than most or not as good as most as the past several presidencies. By comparison, 45% said this of Bill Clinton in January of 1999.



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[JIMV]

Again....link

[NuclearShadows]

That is the Presidents disaproval number. The number on the war is far lower and somewhere in the low 50's, a far cry from the 79% clamed.

A recurring problem with the left is a tendency to ruin their argument by inflating numbers. The examples are legion...the Iraq war casualty numbersare routinely doubled. The cost of the war is invented, gun grabbers make up numbers (my favorite is the 13 'children' killed by gns every day from the Brady Bunch. The actual number is under 1.5).

Because of that, when somene makes a claim way out of line, I ask for the numbers and a link. I seldom get it.

now you're running away. I have read the 79% number and could possibly find it. But I regressed and went to your numbers (which you didn't link either) and it seems to me that it is still a huge number. The point being you are calling at least 2/3 of your fellow citizens traitors even with your own numbers....

[McGyver]

I suspect the oversampled dems again.

I'm sure you would suspect that! :rolleyes:

[McGyver]

Again....link

No Link….Believe it or not Jim, not EVERYTHING has a link. Received in an…MSNBC email from NBC’s Chuck Todd:

*** Bush's Swan Song: President Bush steals the spotlight from the most competitive and fascinating presidential nominating contests in years when he delivers his final State of the Union address tonight. And when he gives that speech, he will do so as his ratings remain near -- or at -- all-time lows, according to the latest NBC/WSJ poll. Just 31% approve of his job as president, 29% approve of his handling of the economy, 28% approve of his handling of Iraq, and 32% view him positively versus 57% who see him in a negative light. What's more, 62% prefer Congress (whose approval rating stands at 18%) taking the lead role in setting policy for the country, compared with 21% who want Bush to do so. Finally, a whopping 70% of respondents believe that Bush's presidency will turn out either worse than most or not as good as most as the past several presidencies. By comparison, 45% said this of Bill Clinton (who has, of course, been in the news lately) in January of 1999.

For more: The latest edition of First Read is available now at http://www.FirstRead.MSNBC.com !

Since we all know what a Doubting Thomas you are, here's the entire email....minus my email address:---------------------------------------------------------
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*** Ted Kennedy Is All In: The New York Times front-pages the news of Ted Kennedy endorsing Obama, which occurs today at 12:15 pm ET at American University in DC. "Both the Clintons and their allies had pressed Mr. Kennedy for weeks to remain neutral in the Democratic race, but Mr. Kennedy had become increasingly disenchanted with the tone of the Clinton campaign. He and former President Bill Clinton had a heated telephone exchange earlier this month over what Mr. Kennedy considered misleading statements by Mr. Clinton about Mr. Obama, as well as his injection of race into the campaign. Mr. Kennedy called Mr. Clinton Sunday to tell him of his decision." Did we read that correctly? Ted Kennedy called Bill Clinton -- and not Hillary -- to tell him of the decision? Anyway, the Clinton camp trotted out a statement from Kathleen Kennedy Townsend as a counterpunch to the endorsements from Teddy and Caroline Kennedy (and, per NBC's Andrea Mitchell, Patrick Kennedy will also be endor sing Obama). Umm, not quite the same impact... http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/28/us/politics/28kennedy.html

*** Where Kennedy Helps Obama: The thing about a Kennedy endorsement is that once he's in, HE'S ALL IN. Ask Al Gore or John Kerry. Kennedy loves campaigning and when he hits the stump, he gets fired up. And as the Times reports, Kennedy is going to head West and then back to the Northeast to campaign for Obama. He could be particularly helpful for Obama in wooing rank-and-file, blue-collar Democrats as well as Latinos, two parts of the Democratic coalition Obama's under-performed with. Of course, Obama -- as this YouTube clip shows -- hasn't always had kind words for Kennedy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlvJ8bA6_xA

*** Bush's Swan Song: President Bush steals the spotlight from the most competitive and fascinating presidential nominating contests in years when he delivers his final State of the Union address tonight. And when he gives that speech, he will do so as his ratings remain near -- or at -- all-time lows, according to the latest NBC/WSJ poll. Just 31% approve of his job as president, 29% approve of his handling of the economy, 28% approve of his handling of Iraq, and 32% view him positively versus 57% who see him in a negative light. What's more, 62% prefer Congress (whose approval rating stands at 18%) taking the lead role in setting policy for the country, compared with 21% who want Bush to do so. Finally, a whopping 70% of respondents believe that Bush's presidency will turn out either worse than most or not as good as most as the past several presidencies. By comparison, 45% said this of Bill Clinton (who has, of course, been in the news lately) in January of 1999.

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[JIMV]

now you're running away. I have read the 79% number and could possibly find it. But I regressed and went to your numbers (which you didn't link either) and it seems to me that it is still a huge number. The point being you are calling at least 2/3 of your fellow citizens traitors even with your own numbers....

My numbers come from real clear..

http://www.time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/

The definitive polling source. My point, as I posted elsewhere, was that ther was no reason for you to invent inflated dissaproval numbers when your point was made with the real numbers.

[JIMV]

I'm sure you would suspect that! :rolleyes:

I still note the lack fo a link...

[JIMV]

No Link….Believe it or not Jim, not EVERYTHING has a link. Received in an…MSNBC email from NBC’s Chuck Todd:

You quoted "the latest NBC/WSJ poll" which I foolishly assumed you had read. Now you quote an E-mail...Ok, lets look at the source of your data:

The poll was of 1008 folk, almost all of the questions were only asked of half the sampling and then only registered voters were counted.

Here is how the folk who were counted described their politican leanings:

43% were democrats
34% were republicans
17% were independents
5% were other

So....the numbers you quote come from a rump sampling of registered voters with a 9% oversampling of democrats.

What dos it prove? That democrats hate the president and will vote democrat.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/archive/?poll_id=19

Oh some additional stuff that didn't get in your summary. Only 17% saw the war as the number one issue. 27% said the economy.
oh, and another thing the poll notes...while 41% of folk questioned said Bush would be amongst the worst presidents ever, 38% said he would be better than most, a difference of only 3% and more than explained when one figures the poll was weighted very heavily toward democrats.

That is why I insist on a link and the internals. NBC is notorious for over counting dems and the writer of the E-mail cherry picked data from a biased poll to make a partisan point.

[NuclearShadows]

Well in the end the polls don’t matter much to me. I disagree with the neo-com agenda for Pax Americana and world homogeny. I believe that our money would be better spent at home on health care and education than on some endless "war on terror". My belief from what I have seen is that Bush has been a disaster as a president. I don’t have much faith in the political process and don’t see much of a way out short of revolution. The best we have is to try and sort through all the bullshit offered and vote for someone who seems to share some sort of vision that is in alignment with my own… In choosing a new prez it most likely would still would boil down to Dennis Kucinich…

Quo Vadis?

[JIMV]

The American left in revloultion! What, powderpufs and pink ladies?

[NuclearShadows]

The American left in revloultion! What, powderpufs and pink ladies?

Don’t discount what a few ladies in pink hats can do to change the world.

“Never doubt that a small, group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.” Margaret Mead

http://www.flaglerelections.com/images/clipart/suffrage4.jpg

[JIMV]

If you see revoluation you also need to see revlutionaries. I look at the left and see a good deal less than warriors and revolutionaries. I remember the far left revolutionaries of the 70's and their propencity to blow themselves up in inept efforts at bomb making.

[Bruce McAuley]

You can talk to them online, you know.:cool:

Bruce

[McGyver]

You quoted "the latest NBC/WSJ poll" which I foolishly assumed you had read. Now you quote an E-mail...

Gee Jim, I guess the Moderators failed to tell me that posting an Email Newsletter was against "The Rules!" Or do you just make them up as YOU go along?

43% were democrats
34% were republicans
17% were independents
5% were other So....the numbers you quote come from a rump sampling of registered voters with a 9% oversampling of democrats.

Hmmm....What the numbers say to me, is that 43% were Democratic and 56% were NOT! Doesn't sound like a 9% over sampling to me!

Got a couple of questions for you Jim:

1. Can you ever post without the arrogant, know it all bullshit attitude?

2. Is it even possible for you to respond to a post, without demeaning the Poster you're responding to?

3. Do you REALLY feel that YOU KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT EVERYTHING, and that the rest of us on this forum....are simply here for you to "LEARN" from you...THE MASTER?

You really need a lesson in humility Jim....Your arrogance is truly nauseating!

[NuclearShadows]

As Bush says Al Qaeda is on the run in Iraq in the SOTU.
So either the Aussies think it's OK to leave BECAUSE he says that,
OR
They think he's full of poop and are getting out while the getting's good.
I pick the second reason.
Jim will probably pick the first reason, because we're WINNING!!!!
:rolleyes:

Bruce

Well, while everything is going so well in Iraq the Canadians are saying that it isn’t so good in Afghanistan. They told Bush yesterday that they are ready to get the hell out. (http://ca.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idCAN3022978220080131)

It has been said for a long time that for every “terrorist” we kill five more are born. Well it looks like the evidence of that is playing out. The Taliban is on the rise and our own report say that it is on the verge of collapse.. (http://www.google.com/news?sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS241US241&hl=en&q=taliban+growing&btnG=Search). But not to worry. If Obama wins he’ll take care of the problem. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20070536/) So let the Canadians bail, the losers. We got guys ready to replace ‘em….

President Bush struck an upbeat tone about Afghanistan during his State of the Union address, a tone not supported by either recent developments or an independent assessment issued this week.
Bush devoted just five sentences to the war there. Four were packed with imagery of an emerging and successful “young democracy.” The other stated that an additional 3,200 U.S. Marines have been ordered into the country.
Not mentioned was that the Marines are being sent because our NATO allies in Afghanistan are alarmed by the rising level of violence from Taliban and al-Qaida forces and are balking at our demand that they send more of their own troops. (http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jan/31/forgotten-war/)

On edit:

We have to give it to the Afghans themselves though. They really have embraced democray so I suppose it is working out good for Bush. They are moving the country forward with their stand on Sayed Parwez Kaambakhsh. (http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/asiapac/programs/s2148136.htm) Good for them! I feel good about the money we give them to make a better world.