"Fischer said the legal reason for closing the springs is because it's unauthorized use of public lands—using them is considered trespass."
Is it really trespass to do something 'unauthorized' on our public lands? This suggests that only activities listed as 'authorized' are allowed. For instance, is it trespass on our BLM land for me to spin on my head while chanting 'One Fish, Two Fish', backwards?
It makes sense but sad to see it go.
thats a lot of bike riding
I haven't liked Natl Monument or Park designation for de facto wilderness, because it often brings about rampant strip malling and commercialization of the surrounding 'gateways.' I prefer the Stanley Basin without big hotels and RV parks and summer crowds.
But all the talk from Idaho politicians of grabbing our federal lands, combined with the dilution of the already watered-down wilderness bills, and I'm ready to take the faustian bargain that the 591 thousand acres gains Monument status.
So sign that proposal, Mr. President!
These guys are beating a dead horse. They've been at it for 2 years now, and have no more supporters now than they had in the first month. The Wilderness Bills (CIEDRA, and it's current version SNRA+) provide the highest level of protection possible to the core, alpine areas, while preserving traditional uses in areas that can withstand them.
The Wilderness Bill currently before Congress has been crafted through years of public meetings and transparent compromises, and is now supported by the County Commissioners in BOTH Blaine and Custer Counties, as well as real environmentalists (as opposed to these guys, who are paid lobbyists for the recreation equipment and industrial tourism industries).
Please do not be deceived by these charlatans. Wilderness designation by Congress is what this beautiful area deserves - nothing less - and certainly should not be left to the closed-door deals of these types in a National Monument fiasco.
Just saw some guy spit onto the pavement while making his way out of a FedEx vehicle. If it is a territorial thing, it's not working because I'm a guy and my reaction was nothing more than a shake of my head and the following thought: "What a moron..."
I noticed some guy spit while walking up to a hotel yesterday as well, after which he proceeded to ask for directions. If he had asked me I probably would have walked off, to be honest.
I don't get it, but I think it's pretty stupid.
Five years ago then Rep. Guthrie and I started work on this bill in response to the Portneouf Greenway wanting to take land away from people along the river in Pocatello when there was and still is a perfectly good alternate route which utilizes land already owned by the city and county. The argument against the bill was that "we need this tool to effectively negotiate." It was a lie then and is now. We purposely restricted the bill to not impact the enumerated uses of eminent domain in the Idaho Constitution.
good points all. It seems to me eminent domain is a socialist program. And for another viewpoint ask the American Indians what they think of "eminent domain"...
I can see both sides here. One person's social benefit is another person's imposed implement. This is the classic dialectic of old that pits social goods vs private freedoms. Try this on....ask Wayne Hoffman if he supports the use of eminent domain to build the Keystone Pipeline. You might get a different answer. You can't call yourself a libertarian unless you keep corporations from using government for it's wants, too.
These are the three fundamental principles of modern society,
established one after another:
1. SOVEREIGNTY OF THE HUMAN WILL; in short, DESPOTISM.
2. INEQUALITY OF WEALTH AND RANK.
3. PROPERTY--which is above JUSTICE and always invoked as the
guardian angel of sovereigns, nobles, and proprietors; JUSTICE, the
general, primitive, categorical law of all society.
If you wish to enjoy political equality, abolish property.
Every argument which has been invented in behalf of property, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, always and of necessity leads to equality; that is, to the negation of property.
The causes of social inequality are three in number:
1. GRATUITOUS APPROPRIATION OF COLLECTIVE WEALTH;
2. INEQUALITY IN EXCHANGE;
3. THE RIGHT OF PROFIT OR INCREASE.
Since this threefold method of extortion is the very essence of the
domain of property, property is robbery.
Communism is inequality, but not as property is. Property is the exploitation of the weak by the strong.
In property, inequality of conditions is the result of force, under whatever name it be disguised: physical and mental force; force of events, chance, FORTUNE; force of accumulated property.
Property is born of selfishness which results from the universal obsession with ‘Me, My, Mine’.
I work with the eminent domain law every day with utility companies, mostly pipelines and power lines. Without eminent domain, America would be a 3rd world country. I do think that some cities go too far with making a determination on whether a structure is or isn't in the "best interest" of the community, but on the other hand there are police laws on the books for rathole/dangerous/health buildings and their removal. It's like anything else, one can go too far with a rule or regulation and ruin the intent and spirit of the law. It's a mixed bag, but without eminent domain, nothing that is determined to be "for the public good" would ever get accomplished.
"These powers have been working effectively in the state for decades." Hmmm.. For who? I am the most liberal, socialist leaning and community mined person one might find. But when it comes to eminent domain I am almost a Montana Freeman.. I don't like this power of the state. I have some personal experience of the negative side of this power. It reminds me of the issue of the "value" of Wilderness. The true value of many things cannot be rendered to a dollar amount.. Yes Boise Cascade can tell you the value of a 300 year old ponderosa pine, but who can say what the intrinsic value is? Or the value of a part of land where a persons grand parents and great grand parents have grown grapes on for 100 years? Can "market value" cover the true value? No..
Sheesh. The concept of eminent domain is in the US Constitution. Admittedly the power can sometimes be abused; however, I think there are effective ways to guard against the abuse without stripping the power completely from cities.
While I promote more freedom this bill is quite limiting and certainly a costly way to provide more greenbelts. One land owner can torpedo the whole plan. But a person has a right to their property and what is on it. Jerks are just that.
"[SB] 1044 is not about limiting eminent domain," Reuter said. "It's about trying to stop the expansion of walking and biking throughout our state. It still lets you use eminent domain to plow a road through something."
Reuter is wrong. It is NO about walking and biking. The legislature has concluded that private property rights are more important than the public's right to override those rights on behalf of a new bike/ped path.
(As a dedicated transportation cyclist, I'm disappointed that it passed, and was signed into law. But I refuse to see it as a vote against walking and biking - that's silly. The fact that Boise hasn't used it since '67 leads me to hope it won't be a big deal, one way or t'other.)
The Eagle Greenbelt fiasco was more about uppity McMansion dwellers who wanted to ignore the covenants that they signed when they purchased their properties, than about eminent domain.
Just went up there 2 days ago. Was a great hike. My son from Missoula was here and liked this "urban hiking" experience. We had a short amount of time that day with fitting other things in and this worked great. Saw 2 coyotes and a sagebrush lizard, (colorful little bugger) and the flowers are coming out! Photo ops are great! Enjoyable!
Tami, after reading your comments I realized I know who you are. When writing a comment you should tell the truth. What in the world are you doing there in the middle of the night? Rats? No! You don't work. This is about Rhoads Scatepark, not about you.
Tami, after seeing your comments and photos I realized who you were. Weirdo? What are you addressing? The comments are about Rhoads skatepark right? It's not about you.
sorry about the misspelling I'm having trouble with my android keyboard and my voice text secretary really is horrible...lol..and I saved a lot of trouble trying to proofread it because the screen wont allow me to actually see what im typing..grrr
Re BOI22TOY...your RESPONSE, your SOLUTION, and the insult,is rather disturbing...for one day offered no real viable solution and two dresses not what the article was written about. This is a place where we freely express our concerns ...not solutions to harm or kill things...WEIRDO
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