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Re: “ABC Report: Sochi Killing Stray Dogs Ahead of Winter Olympics

Oh sure. A stray dog running into the opening ceremonies would be a disgrace to your nation, but the way you talk about and legislate against homosexuality isn't? That tells us all we need to know about Russia.

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Posted by Marque on 02/03/2014 at 8:12 PM

Re: “In Post-Earthquake Haiti, a Forgotten Island Is Left to Recover On Its Own

While I agreed in general with Mr. Kushner's article about the neglect by the government in Port au Prince (and the rest of the world) which is, at best misfeasance but truthfully malfeasance on the part of the government.

The citizens of Gonav, with almost no resources, has done a tremendous job of surviving. I take exception, however, about the report about the Cholera epidemic. the claim that Gonav is " remote that the epidemic of cholera that has spread to nearly every corner of Haiti barely touched the island." is simply not true. cholera did come to the island with the many thousands of refugees fleeing Port au Prince and other urban areas of the mainland. The reason that the epidemic didn't spiral out of control on Gonav is because the local citizens acted quickly and proactively to prevent its spread. Mandatory disinfection stations were established in Anse-a-Galet and other ports on the island. People and food supplies and anything else entering was inspected and, if necessary, treated or destroyed.

The island has been neglected by the government since the middle of the 19th century when the first Haitians (primarily fishermen and later farmers) began coming to the island. Later the island was used as a dumping ground for criminals and other "unwanted" people from the Haitian mainland.

While the island of La Gonav was claimed by the Empire of Haiti in the first decade of the 19th century, its inhabitants were exclusively the remnants of the once great Caribbean Taino tribe.

The establishment of permanent settlements by Haitians on the island led to a system of local governance that had its roots in Africa. As late as the period right after WWI we have reports of the people of Gonave being a self governing state without any official ties to the government in Port au Prince. To a great extent that is still true today.

La Gonav, once called "the pearl of the Antilles" has been almost completely denuded of its once lush forests. Those forests were completely destroyed to provide charcoal for the Haitian mainland. Today the island faces desertification since the denuded soil is unable to capture the rain which runs from the mountainous plateaus into the sea carrying soil along with it which, in turn, is choking the magnificent coral reefs that fringe the island.

After more than 200 years of neglect and abuse the island has no infrastructure. The 120,000 people of the island have no paved roads and few usable dirt roads, no transportation, water treatment plants, sewage systems, telephone lines, electric grid and there isn't even a postal system on the island. Added to this, the functional literacy rate is about 40%, unemployment and/or underemployment is over 80% there is one small hospital operated by a missionary group and it is understaffed and the equipment it has is antiquated.

Today, the people of Gonav, led by Mouvman Sendika Pou La Gonav, is seeking independence from Haiti. With the help of the developed world, Gonav could once again be a tropical paradise and could become a tourist destination equal to or better than any other in the Caribbean.

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Posted by Frhartline on 02/02/2014 at 4:07 PM

Re: “It's a Cold, Cold World: The Lowest Temperatures Ever Recorded on Earth

I agree with Mick, all except him being a liberal, and his abhorrent claim that Fox News is a political organization. He sounds like a smart guy, which most intelligent people turn away from idealism to realism between socialism and capitalism as they mature and realize a private sector economy works and a socialist economy doesn't. And don't blame the messenger, about reporting on real, multiple scandals and all the cover-ups and lies about Benghazi, NSA spying, IRS targeting, and Obamacare, which are now facing the dems and the administration. About greenhouse gases, it's intuitive what Mick says, how a man-made shift in CO2 molecule 1/2500th of the molecular percentage of the atmosphere, with significantly less infrared radiation shielding capability than H2O, could dramatically alter the earth's temperature over and above solar cycles and resultant fluctuation of water vapor content (the latter obviously not man-made). Which evidence of carbon dating indicates a CO2 content of between 2000-8000ppm during the peak of the Pleistocene ice age.

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Posted by Randy on 01/29/2014 at 1:01 PM

Re: “It's a Cold, Cold World: The Lowest Temperatures Ever Recorded on Earth

H2O vapor (relative humidity) and H20 droplets (clouds) are a 1000 times more powerful and prevalent in the atmosphere by weight & volume than CO2. You're a dunce who knows nothing about atmospheric physics & chemistry and who is just spouting nonsense about CO2 forcing.

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Posted by Mick on 01/26/2014 at 5:19 PM

Re: “It's a Cold, Cold World: The Lowest Temperatures Ever Recorded on Earth

Really, they review their own work? That's funny, you accuse peer reviewed scientists who publish in science journals of bias, and then, in the same paragraph use Bob Carter's (who is paid a retainer by the Heartland Institute no less) non peer reviewed book, which cherry picks data and ignores any evidence contrary to his views as evidence that it's all a conspiracy! hilarious!

And yet still CO2 levels rise That's from Cape Grim, the cleanest air in the world! From scientists who work with CO2. We're "lucky" most of the extra CO2 we're producing is going into the ocean! You do understand that we're burning "paleocarbon" (since you prefer paleoclimatatologists over current climate scientists), carbon that was deposited when CO2 levels were much higher. Seems pretty basic really, burn a million years of carbon accumulation in a year and you get a CO2 build up! Nope, it's all a strange coincidence! Weird huh? Must be a conspiracy of the watermelon commie green world government Nazis. (Go Godwin!!!, had to get it in there somewhere)

You do get the difference between a forcing and a feedback don't you?. Water vapour follows changes in the atmosphere, not the other way around, otherwise we'd be living in a Turkish bath.

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Posted by Trev on 01/25/2014 at 4:54 PM

Re: “Latin America: The Cost of Murder

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Posted by Jennifer Loe on 01/24/2014 at 9:36 AM

Re: “How This Pig Explains the World's Most Important Economic Relationship

The Business/Government Cartel in U.S. will never match the sheer number of work-slaves that China has, but the U.S. Cartel is trying real hard to create its own slave labor force.

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Posted by watcher on 01/21/2014 at 10:05 PM

Re: “It's a Cold, Cold World: The Lowest Temperatures Ever Recorded on Earth

l. The IPCC is like Fox News which is a political organization masquerading as a "fair and balanced" journalistic organization. The IPCC is also a political organization masquerading as an unbiased scientific organization. There are less than 200 active research climate scientist on the IPCC and they are permitted to review and validate their own research and they regularly ignore any research by qualified scientists that conflicts with their own assumptions.How about" Climate: The Counter Consensus" written by Professor Robert M. Carter who is a Palaeoclimatologist? And how about scientists who actually spent their careers working with CO2? 2.Depending on who is counting, there are about 750 gigatons of carbon in the atmosphere and about 25-35% of all of that atmospheric carbon is exchanged with other Carbon Sinks, soils, ocean surfaces, plants etc. , annually. About 7gigatons of Anthropogenic carbon is added to the atmosphere annually, an insignificant amount especially considering that the IPCC grossly overestimates the residence time of atmospheric carbon in order to make people afraid of CO2. 3.And of Course the Big Lie that the IPCC is promulgating is that CO2 is a major driver of Dangerous Global Warming when in fact atmospheric C02 is an insignifigant driver of warming or cooling compared to atmospheric H20.

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Posted by Mick on 01/21/2014 at 7:00 PM

Re: “It's a Cold, Cold World: The Lowest Temperatures Ever Recorded on Earth

You really are using the denialist playbook aren't you? (You have a few more chapters to go through yet.) And how many of those 30,000 had degrees in climate science? As someone who has 3 family members with PhDs, I can tell you none of them are qualified to comment on the science of climate change. They can have an opinion, but it is just that, an opinion. I wouldn't consult a geologist for any health issues, so why would I value their opinion on climate change?
Actually I can tell the difference between my rectum and a hydrothermal vent, neither spew as much hot toxic gas as you. The hydrothermal vent I dived was actually pretty nice, beautiful warm water, and the gas bubbles tickled.
I just love the conspiracy theory thingo, I suggest you go and take a look at the Heartland Institute if you want to see a proper conspiracy...BTW even the Chinese Government is doing something about climate change, and I don't think they need a "tool" to panic the masses. Can you see that you have got the religious mania going on? the multiple theories that sometimes are in opposition to each other should be a give away. If someone came out with some credible scientific data refuting climate change I'd be onboard tomorrow, I like the current western lifestyle.

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Posted by Trev on 01/20/2014 at 10:10 PM

Re: “It's a Cold, Cold World: The Lowest Temperatures Ever Recorded on Earth

What a moron! You're so discombobulated you can't tell the difference between your rectum and a hydrothermal vent. As far back as 1998 30,000 people, 9000 of which held PhD degrees signed a petition that included the following statement: "There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of CO2,methane,or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover,there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric CO2 produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth" Another quote:" It will be remembered as the greatest mass delusion in the history of the world--that CO2, essential for the life of plants was considered to be a dangerous, planet-destroying toxin."Ed Ring from an article in EcoWorld, Climate Science 2008. Another quote: "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed, and hence clamorous to be led to safety, by menacing it with and endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." H.L. Mencken. Another relevant quote: "The greatest challenge facing mankind is the challenge of distinguishing reality from fantasy, truth from propaganda. We must daily decide whether the threats we face are real, whether the solutions we are offered will do any good, whether the problems we're told exist are in fact real problems or non-problems" Michael Crichton "Environmentalism as religion" address to the Commonwealth Club San Francisco 2003. Enough said for now.

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Posted by Mick on 01/20/2014 at 7:16 PM

Re: “It's a Cold, Cold World: The Lowest Temperatures Ever Recorded on Earth

So you trust the NIPPC huh. Part of the Heartland Institute? Sponsored by the Koch Bros and the oil industry. And you don't think they may be somewhat biased then? And that hot bed of radial commie watermelon climate mafia NOAA have got it all wrong. Follow the money...

Can you see how your arguments tend to be bit a confused, one minute it's not CO2, next minute it's CO2 but from natural sources, which have suddenly decided to increase wildly at the same moment humans started burning way more fossil fuels. And some of the most prestigious scientific institutions have got it wrong and an organisation sponsored by organisations that willdirectly benefit from inaction have got it right. Pretty strange huh?

You have been brainwashed by the Climate Change Denial Cult...actually no, you're suffering from a severe case of Confirmation Bias...with complications of Dunning Kruger.

BTW, can you link to any actual real research to back your assertions (no, Heartland blogs don't count, neither do articles on WUWT unless they are properly referenced to papers written by people with actual qualifications in the field they are writing about). Oh hang on, the Climate Mafia suppress any such science, so you're allowed to say what you like I guess, with no peer reviewed evidence.

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Posted by Trev on 01/20/2014 at 7:38 AM

Re: “It's a Cold, Cold World: The Lowest Temperatures Ever Recorded on Earth

I trust the NIPPC (Non Governmental IPPC) and other scientists rather than the IPCC when they assert that the Carbon Isotope evidence actually indicates that only about 4% of the current atmospheric CO2 is derived from human and fossil fuel sources. The natural process of marine out-gassing of CO2 caused by temperature rise and volcanic CO2 out-gassing accounts for most of the rise in CO2 during the last century. Additionally, no evidence based case exists to prove that higher levels of atmospheric CO2 are harmful. First because any mild warming caused by enhanced CO2 is likely to be of net climatic benefit, and second, because higher atmospheric CO2 both enhances plant growth and aids efficiency of plant water use. In reality enhanced atmospheric CO2 is a net benefit for biodiversity, food production and greening of the Earth.

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Posted by Mick on 01/19/2014 at 6:36 PM

Re: “It's a Cold, Cold World: The Lowest Temperatures Ever Recorded on Earth

Hah hah hah, just as I thought, Dunning Krueger.

You really are a dumb arse. Just because you read something on WUWT doesn't make it true.

Couple of points you should research: CO2 isotope ratios to discover the source of rising CO2 levels (hint: burning a crap load of carbon sequestered over millions of years in a few decades leaves a definite signature in C isotope ratios)

Secondly, I think you are probably a bit too retarded to make the connection between my statement about changes in Antarctic circulation and climate change. Somehow you seem to think I can't grasp that there is a relationship between Antarctic oceanic circulation and the icecap. I'm not quite sure how you've reached that conclusion. You seem unable to articulate why this point is germane, other than calling me a noodle brain. Strange... explains why the science just doesn't sink in.

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Posted by Trev on 01/19/2014 at 5:13 PM

Re: “How to Pronounce the Name of Madagascar's New President: Hery Rajaonarimampianina

Yes, many Malagasy people would have difficulties pronouncing Erin Conway-Smith.
The C and W letters do not exist in Malagasy alphabet. And the TH pronunciation is uncommon for Malagasy people.

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Posted by Barijaona Ramaholimihaso on 01/18/2014 at 8:58 PM

Re: “It's a Cold, Cold World: The Lowest Temperatures Ever Recorded on Earth

You really don't understand squat about the entire process do you? No wonder that you are able to be snookered by a bunch of Crackpots(IPCC) passing off apocalyptic junk science. Climate change both short and long term are governed by the 8 cyclic natural processes that I listed and basically there is no evidence other than fear mongering and phony computer models that those processes are now being exacerbated by man. Natural Global Warming is right on schedule and man will have to adapt to Until human's have the ability halt the ice age-global warming cycle. And I'm certain it won't be by manipulating the amount of atmospheric carbon which is a product of the natural cycle not a cause. P.S. Why the Antarctic continent has an ice cap and how the Antarctic affects ocean currents are related, Noodlebrain!

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Posted by Mick on 01/18/2014 at 5:58 PM

Re: “How to Pronounce the Name of Madagascar's New President: Hery Rajaonarimampianina

I wonder if the people of Madagascar need help in pronouncing Erin Conway-Smith?

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Posted by Hola on 01/18/2014 at 11:08 AM

Re: “It's a Cold, Cold World: The Lowest Temperatures Ever Recorded on Earth

Seriously, that's the best you can come up with?

You wanted an explanation of why Antarctica HAS an ice cap, not how Antarctica affects ocean circulation? Should've made it a bit clearer then, but a bit of a topic jump, one minute talking about climate change, the next about how the circumpolar current came about. There aren't any arguments about how the break up of Gondwana allowed the Circumpolar current to start.
Why are you talking about causes of long term climate change? Other than to make yourself sound learned? There aren't any arguments about how solar cycles and wobbles affect the long term climate either?
Why all the smoke and mirrors stuff?

Getting back to the who's the biggest dumb arse, lets start with your statement.

"Since the beginning of the end of the latest ice age about 20 thousand years ago, mean sea level has risen about 400 ft from melting glaciers and atmospheric temperature has warmed about 20degreesF. Scientifically documented and not anthropogenic. Daytime Climate is warmer the Nighttime Climate. Summer Climate is warmer than Winter Climate. Change in the amount of Solar Radiation or Change in the amount of atmospheric CO2? You Choose."

So since the last ice age the earth has actually fluctuated in temperature, about 8000 years ago it was warmer than it is now, and sea level was around 3m higher than present. All well described, so not relevant to the discussion at hand. There is no evidence that long term climate cycles are causing the current warming. Assertion is not evidence. As for the second point, really? You do realise that when it's summer in the northern hemisphere it's winter in the southern hemisphere and that when it's night-time where you are it's daytime somewhere else and it all averages out? Solar radiation changing at a location, but nothing to do with long term trends. Nothing to do with climate, CO2 or anything!

Quote "Yet if the supposed science was settled then how come the models have to be changed and updated constantly? Supposedly they are right but scientists, supposedly, are surprised that sea level changes are different than previously projected. They are surprised that ice levels on the caps are changing at different rates that previously projected. They didn't know that the Polar Vortex, or Canadian Clipper, that is nothing new, would dip down like this (as it has many times over history)."

So what you are saying here is that because the IPCC report published the most conservative model outcomes in an effort not to be viewed as too alarmist, and that these models turned out to be too conservative that scientists were surprised? I think dismayed would be a better choice of words, dismayed that it appears CC is moving faster than the conservative models predicted. This is not a good thing. Now on to your second assertion. What is your evidence that the breakdown of the polar vortex hasn't been studied by scientists ? You just made that up, didn't you?.... hell, even a look at Wikipedia has a list of references...

Quote "Also, a real scientist who is not blinded by his or her own bias KNOWS that the science on something of even modest complexity is never settled so how can this be? If it is settled then why change the models? According to them the models are right? I wonder if these are the same models, with updates, that when I was in grade school told the scientists that an ice age was upon us?"

Again I go back to my "do you want a set of stone tablets with the rules engraved on them?" Whilst the fine details may change the basic assumptions behind the science don't. You are setting the bar to an impossible level- do nothing until there is absolute certainty that the model has run through to completion, you appear to want the evidence of CC to be that it has already occurred. So science is to be restricted to what you learned in grade school, from a teacher who probably skimmed through the text book and who was influenced by the media at the time?

Quote "The Earth has always cycled. During the grand millions of years of dinosaurs the temps were 7 to 10 degrees C hotter and the earth was covered with vegetation yet we are told that if things warm we have starvation, desertification, and plagues to look forward to. The warmer supporters act as if they speak with 100% certainty while changing their models and ignoring what the history of the planet is - much hotter many times than now, much cooler many times than now but suddenly man's CO2 output is the reason for the warming."

You do realise that the rate of change between different climate states is naturally much slower than the current rate of warming don't you? That while. yes. climate change has happened in the past, it came with it's own set of problems (had a mastodon steak recently?) and that was with a relatively slow change. It also goes back to the the old thing, asserting something is true doesn't make it so, the science doesn't ignore paleoclimate, and in fact uses it as base from which to model future changes based on what can be gleaned from the past.

Quote "Sorry kid you've been brainwashed with the quasi religious belief that Anthropogenic CO2 is causing Global Warming and you don't know squat about the physics or chemistry of CO2 and the so called "green house effect". For example, Atmospheric CO2 only delays or captures about 8% of the infrared energy radiating from the earth. Over 90% of the infrared radiation passes right through the CO2 molecule."

For some reason you've decided that constantly adding a little bit of something to a fixed amount of something doesn't end up increasing the total amount. The change in radiative forcings from CO2 isn't great, but it is cumulative until it reaches a new equilibrium point at a higher temperature. You need to remember that 50% of the long wave radiation captured by the CO2 molecule is re-radiated back at the earth and raises the earths temperature. This then ties in with your oft repeated, Water vapor is a much greater contributor to the greenhouse effect. Of course it is, the science is clear. But....water vapour is in equilibrium in the atmosphere. If it weren't we'd be cooked by runaway temperature rise, more water vapour in the atmosphere would cause more temperature rise which would cause more water vapour etc etc. Water vapour is a feedback of the underlying temperature forcing effect of GHGs like CO2. They raise the temperature by a small amount, and an increase in water vapour follows as it reaches a new equilibrium in the atmosphere. It's a feed back mechanism not a forcing.

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Posted by Trev on 01/18/2014 at 10:45 AM

Re: “It's a Cold, Cold World: The Lowest Temperatures Ever Recorded on Earth

I ask a simple question and received a complex answer by a confused dummy (Bonehead). One of my favorite Einstein quotes is "If you can't explain it to a 5 year old, you probably don't understand it yourself." The correct, relatively simple answer: Shifting continents (continental drift) causes changes in circulatory patterns of warm ocean currents which are unable to melt the ice accumulating on a large polar land mass. Whenever there is a large land mass at on of the Earth's poles, either the north pole or south pole, there are ice ages. Back to the Basic causes of Long Term Global Climate changes: 1. 11 and 206 year cycles of Solar variability(sunspot cycles) 2. 21 thousand year cycle of earth's combined tilt and elliptical orbit (precession of the equinoxes) 3. 41 thousand year cycle of the =+/- 1.5% wobble in Earth's tilted spin. 4. 100 thousand year cycle of Variation in the shape of Earth's elliptical orbit around the Sun. (cycle of eccentricity) 5. The so called "Greenhouse Effect "(Heat Retention) 95% of which is caused by atmospheric H2O(relative humidity & clouds) rather than a trace of CO2. 6. Solar Reflectivity Due to White Clouds, Volcanic Dust, Polar Ice Caps. 7. Changing Landmass distribution caused by continental drift which changes patterns of ocean currents. 8. Undersea Volcanic activity causing sea floor spreading causing variations in Ocean displacement. Actually I read the Skeptical Science web site quite often and some of the people who blog there are almost as dumb & gullible as you are. They all seem to begin their reasoning with the assumption that CO2, an atmospheric trace gas, is the major driver of climate change which is of course, nonsense. Nonsense in=Nonsense out.

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Posted by Mick on 01/17/2014 at 7:56 PM

Re: “It's a Cold, Cold World: The Lowest Temperatures Ever Recorded on Earth

What does the massive reduction in Arctic Ice mass and summer extent do to global weather (hint: Circumpolar Jet Stream).
And what effect do changes in Antarctica have on world climate? Do you understand how ocean currents work? How changes in surface salinity can affect the rate of cooling of surface waters that drive the formation of Antarctica Bottom Water, one of the major drivers of ocean circulation and a big player in the worlds heat budget?
If you like I can tear apart pretty well every point you've made above. But much better you go to a decent science based website like Skeptical Science where you can read articles that have links to the original data that refute your points. I really can't be bothered. And really? The media is biased? With Rupert Murdoch the biggest player world wide? Any scientist who had real evidence that climate change doesn't exist basically could name their price. The Koch bros have an open cheque book. Despite this they can't get any credible evidence to feed to their think tanks. Instead, all we see are psuedo scientists like Monkton and Plimer. And cranks like Spencer, who supports Intelligent design. The conspiracy is the other way around. There are well funded vested interests with an agenda to confuse people like you (quite successfully as it turns out!). The best denialists can come up with for a motivation for climate change is a woolly theory of scientists jumping on some kind of "gravy train" (more like a gravy tram?) or a complete whacko theory that it has something to do with creating a world government. When examining things it always pay to follow the money...the real money.

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Posted by Trev on 01/17/2014 at 9:19 AM

Re: “It's a Cold, Cold World: The Lowest Temperatures Ever Recorded on Earth

You're married to a Scientist which proves that you know what it feels like to freeze your ass off living in some of the coldest places on Earth!? If you know so much about the Antarctic then explain what, if any, effect does a large Continental land mass covering the South Pole have on the long term Global Climate. By the way there are thousands of Scientists who dispute the Anthropogenic CO2 Global Warming Hypothesis. They are basically being ignored by the media and discriminated against by scientists who make a living confirming the hypothesis.

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Posted by Mick on 01/16/2014 at 8:12 PM

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