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Re: “F-35s in Boise? 'We Don't Know What We Don't Know'

Those who purport we generously accept military jet noise as the sound of freedom have done so at the expense of freedom. It's neither peace nor freedom. The United States Of America founded with the common commitment to a moral proposition: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." I suggest a patriotic devotion to and vigorous support for one's country's defense begins and ends with your neighbors established property rights or the rights of American children to be free from hearing damage. We are faced with governmental tyranny that's tightly wrapped in the sounds of a military industrial complex.

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Posted by Heinrich Wiebe on 07/20/2017 at 7:44 AM

Re: “F-35s in Boise? 'We Don't Know What We Don't Know'

Mr Journee is full of hearsay, not very professional or accurate or helpful. I have attended numerous meetings by the airport, CLB even Chamber/IANG/Hupp, have been very orderly considering the number of people in attendance. Mr Journee and Boise Weekly have illustrated the City is trying to commit Boise to an endeavor that affects thousands of people while admitting they don't know what they are getting into. Wait and see what a NEW EIS says, which will be too late. The numbers, facts, studies quoted by CLB is data supplied by the airport's own Noise 150 study, the Air Force's EIS study and numerous well documented reports from around the country concerning the F-35. The CLB meetings are open public forums where all are invited..As for rhetoric, I have heard plenty from both sides.The "sound of freedom " is actually the sound of this debate and our responsibility to hold our elected officials and government accountable. Boise has a nationally recognized brand built on quality of life that brand is threatened by this mission. Is it worth it? I and many other don't think so. http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/41313-f…

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Posted by A_Rebel on 07/20/2017 at 7:32 AM

Re: “F-35s in Boise? 'We Don't Know What We Don't Know'

We want peace and the freedom a strong armed forces provides, but just do it someplace else. You act like being near jets is such a big deal. I've lived on military air bases and I find the "noise" from jets pleasant. F-35's don't make any more noise than any other jet fighter we have. F-15/16/18/22/35 . . pick one, they are all within 1-3 db of each other and the human ear can't even tell the difference between 1-3db of sound level. F-35's also cruise 10db quieter than say an F-16. You people are a bunch of whining liberal babies. Please excuse our noise, it's the sound of freedom.

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Posted by Spencer Hutchings on 07/20/2017 at 6:38 AM

Re: “F-35s in Boise? 'We Don't Know What We Don't Know'

The F-35 official impact study specifically tailored to Boise that the Boise Independent School District refers to is the one provide by the USAF after we've been selected. By that time the decision has been made. The Statesman wants us all to just except the F-35 and let the city fix the problems afterwards - is that what the Boise Independent School District is suggesting ??? There is more than enough official government data out there now to know exactly how the F-35 will effect our children as well as our community.

Citizens for a Livable Boise (CLB)

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Posted by WapitiDan on 07/19/2017 at 2:41 PM

Re: “F-35s in Boise? 'We Don't Know What We Don't Know'

News Flash: Check out the issues in Burlington, VT and Widbey Island, WA with F-35s and FA-18s.
Per Mayor Beiter: The military does not fly between 8-5 M-F or should I ask since when?
Per the airport on Channel 7 last week: They will not return calls as they said they would do in an interview about the community garden.

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Posted by mams39 on 07/19/2017 at 2:29 PM

Re: “F-35s in Boise? 'We Don't Know What We Don't Know'

Citizens for a Livable Boise (CLB) has repeatedly requested an open public format with the City and/or IDANG to discuss the F-35 facts. We have even offered to let them choose the format to do it in. That offer remains opens. What are they afraid of ???

Citizens for a Livable Boise (CLB)

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Posted by WapitiDan on 07/19/2017 at 2:18 PM

Re: “F-35s in Boise? 'We Don't Know What We Don't Know'



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Posted by Jeran Dahlquist on 07/19/2017 at 1:34 PM

Re: “F-35s in Boise? 'We Don't Know What We Don't Know'

Wasting time on yet another noise study is just a stalling tactic.

I live far too close too and whenever some plane fails to follow their noise procedure every window shakes and makes it impossible to hear anything.

Boise is stalling because it hopes the current housing prices will drop to save on the cost of the houses that they know from the last study they'll have to buy.

They're going to have to buy the houses that are impacted severely, and trying to figure that out without the F-35's isn't going to work.

Failing to make a choice now makes it impossible for me to decide what to do. Will Boise buy my house? Will Boise abandon the idea? Will Boise tank my homes value, keep my taxes high, and make it impossible to sell?

I don't care if the city gets the F-35's and has to buy me out, and I don't care if they don't come. I do care that this sitting on their hands keeping me in Limbo on what I'll have to do.

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Posted by Michael DeVore on 07/19/2017 at 1:26 PM

Re: “Plans for Whitewater Project in Boise's West End Unveiled

wow, that's incredibly ugly but sparse and uninspired architecture has been the trend in Boise for quite awhile now.

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Posted by ericn1300 on 07/19/2017 at 12:59 PM

Re: “F-35s in Boise? 'We Don't Know What We Don't Know'

Re Mr. Journee's remarks, it is Gowen Strong, the City of Boise, and the State that has used the economic study about the A-10s to tout the potential benefits of bringing the F-35 to Boise. See, for example, Megan Ronk's op-ed in the Idaho Statesman: http://www.idahostatesman.com/opinion/readers-opinion/article131132189.html. Costs--i.e., potential negative impacts--are not considered in these estimates.

Further, in 2012, the Air Force did conduct a socioeconomic impact analysis of the F-35 in Boise (albeit for a different proposal) and that study also did not consider any costs.

It is indeed incredibly misleading to use an analysis of economic benefits (only) to tout the potential impact of the F-35 in Boise.

- Kevin E. Cahill

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Posted by cahillkc on 07/19/2017 at 11:04 AM

Re: “F-35s in Boise? 'We Don't Know What We Don't Know'

If you think Citizens for a Livable Boise is a small group of trouble makers, check out the link below that will take you to a recent petition signed by over 1,500 citizens that includes 99 pages of comments. Would be surprised if the wisdom of this group should be dismissed, denied and demeaned. Time will tell. Tick, tock, tick, tock...


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Posted by John Glerum 1 on 07/19/2017 at 10:49 AM

Re: “F-35s in Boise? 'We Don't Know What We Don't Know'

The F-35 venture began in the 1990s under Bill Clinton as a Military Industrial capital expedition that was designed to capture a 50 state commitment from Congressional and local leaders to secure a massive expenditure for investors gain. The project was designed to be a money pit for profit. Genuine aerospace experts have been fighting this boondoggle for years and years. It's meant to make money, not perform. This is much like the F-111 project that ended up flopping as advertised, only the F-35 is a much bigger flop. Recently, the UK Parliament has asked for a review of their participation in this, as are other nations. Also.....this plane is very loud.

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Posted by Hen Tooth on 07/19/2017 at 10:19 AM

Re: “F-35s in Boise? 'We Don't Know What We Don't Know'

This article hits the nail on the head - CLB and these fierce opposition groups do nothing more than shout rhetoric and hyperbole to try and stir up emotional responses in the undecided people. The meetings are nothing short of sit-down mob mentality b.s.

I don't blame the mayor and Guard reps one bit for not attending these meetings, I sure wouldn't if I was in their position. The lies that the groups keep repeating (see both the earlier comments before mine) are ridiculous and all the CLB wants to do is get in a shouting match. They don't want to talk facts, they want to shout down the supporters because they can't get satisfaction from being respectful and responsible, it appears.

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Posted by Aceinthesky on 07/19/2017 at 10:13 AM

Re: “F-35s in Boise? 'We Don't Know What We Don't Know'

Here are the facts: Boise City leadership (BCL) has refused to address the public in a open and public format. BCL has offered false facts, obstructed, and outright lied. BCL has been on a campaign with public treasure to convince the public that we should be in favor of F-35's and that we should trust them to do whatever is necessary to bring them to Boise. Get informed. Review articles at http://boiseguardian.com/?s=f-35

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Posted by Heinrich Wiebe on 07/19/2017 at 9:42 AM

Re: “F-35s in Boise? 'We Don't Know What We Don't Know'

I've attended both City and CLB meetings on the issue.
CLB has posted an incredible amount of facts.
The city has not.
What has been consistent is that "City of Boise spokesman Mike Journee" always lies. He's in marketing after all.

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Posted by ConcernedNeighbor on 07/19/2017 at 8:32 AM

Re: “Boise Police Looking For Cyclist Re: Alleged Road Rage Incident

Is that Vincent D'nafrio?

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Posted by Patrick Michael on 07/18/2017 at 8:44 PM

Re: “Idaho Power Registered All-Time Peak Record July 7

WE Intermountain Gas !!!!

Thank you for allowing our family to easily chose between paying our gas bill and groceries. We're able to do BOTH, unlike with Idaho Power Company. Like many other customers , I dread receiving my Idaho Power Bill.....and OPENING it. Soo ridiculously out of the " norm", across our country. SAD.

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Posted by krissee35 on 07/18/2017 at 8:14 PM

Re: “Idaho Power Registered All-Time Peak Record July 7

Idaho Power is THE MOST GREEDY Utility Company I have EVER DEALT WITH. I am a single professional female, well traveled and I speak from experience. THE IUPC really has "their" sky as their limit to raise our Idaho rates. Intermountain Gas is a NON-GREEDY company that allows us to BUDGET!!! (-;
Krissy M. Elliott/ KUNA

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Posted by krissee35 on 07/18/2017 at 8:04 PM

Re: “The Odd Alliance Between Donald Trump and Some South Boise Residents

This weeks Boiseweekly survey... so far

Do you support bringing the F-35 mission to Gowen Field?
Yes. 226 votes (31.61%)
No. 481 votes (67.27%)
I don't know. 8 votes (1.12%)

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Posted by Current Mil on 07/17/2017 at 7:40 PM

Re: “John McGee, Who Left Idaho Senate Following Sex Scandal, Emerges as New VP of Development for Boise Rescue Mission

I think the Boise Rescue Mission is lucky to have someone as intelligent and connected as a former US Representative. I hope they are paying him what he is worth.

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Posted by Paul Daniel Smith 1 on 07/14/2017 at 9:08 AM

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