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Re: “The Venue to Move to Caldwell

It seems that The Venue is very confident and proud of themselves and the decisions they have made. Good for them. However, justifying the move to Caldwell with condescending remarks such as "If you're not 'hardcore' enough to go to a show in caldwell, have fun elsewhere." commands little respect from someone such as myself, who spent the last 11 years paying for shows at The Venue. (I have also attended multiple shows in Chicago…outside of the Loop.)

Yes, the owners and staff of The Venue work very hard to bring enjoyment to people in the area, but that does not make their decisions infallible and immune to criticism. Whether The Venue realizes it or not, this is the attitude they portray. Discontent with the way the owners of The Venue have run their business should not be met with scoffing disregard and condescencion….remarks about 'cultural affinity' and how well traveled the owners of The Venue are, only serve to alienate those who are trying to find some way to support this decision.

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Posted by Andy McCutcheon on 04/15/2013 at 2:23 PM

Re: “The Venue to Move to Caldwell

Stephen, I apolgize for misspelling your name. Kinda hard to read on a droid :-)

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Posted by Johannes Claus on 04/15/2013 at 2:03 PM

Re: “The Venue to Move to Caldwell

"drawing the best" punk hardcore metal bands in the NW. Didn't Eric from Brawl book majority of the hardcore shows there and just pay you to host them at the venue? BTW you guys arent worried about the safety of the location but you'll call the cops when folks are moshing too hard? Get a clue.

Further..looking at your calender of shows from the past year and the ones coming up...I might need to get a dictionary out to remind you what best means because your roaster is far from it.

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Posted by Devin Boudreaux on 04/15/2013 at 1:56 PM

Re: “The Venue to Move to Caldwell

Stephan, that's a good question. The fact that the building already had sprinklers, as well as hoodvents in the kitchen (both costly installs that Broad didn't have] and the fact that the building was already zoned by the City as A-2 for nightclub/bar/restaurant without the need for variances were big factors to decide on that location. We were in discussions with the City, Fire Marshal and CPD before we even signed the lease, and they are truly welcoming us with open arms, excited to help us start doing business.

As was mentioned in the article, the gentrification around Broad street was a factor to move. As I spoke with bankers, I was told that $100's of millions of dollars were in the planning stages to be invested in the corridor between Front and Myrtle. We knew, and had been warned by Sally, the building owner, that it was just a matter of time before an investor bought up the space, tore down the building, and put up mid-rise mixed use commerical offices. We were concerned that investing in improvements to 521 Broad would turn out to be money bulldozed.

In response to the people concerned with their physical safety of the new neighborhood, I think those fears are overblown, outdated and for the most part, xenophobic. If you're scared to go to a place that has a really good Mexican restaurant (try the enchilada de camarones!) and a tortilla bakery across the street, I insert an eyeroll. If I hadn't live in latin america (more than once) and didn't speak fluent Spanish and Portuguese, we might be a little hesitant to move into an area that has a high percentage of Hispanics. As it is, with our language skills and cultural affinity, we're being welcomed by that community also. The only interaction we've had with our neighbors is them asking us when they can rent out the space for quinceañeras and private fiestas. To the contrary of the previous poster, we know exactly what we're doing.

Not only have we lived around the world, but we've lived around the united states. The best clubs in chicago aren't in the Loop, they're in neighborhoods far from the center of town. The best punk club in st louis is across the river in east st louis, sandwiched between two stripclubs and across the street from a monsanto chemical plant. The oakland metro, where I'm going to see the Suffocation/Rings of Saturn show tonight is in oakland's warehouse district, one block from MLK drive.

Around the country, punk clubs aren't in the swankiest part of town, next to BoDo and across the street from a gleaming new law school. They're out of town, where DIY, punk and hardcore still mean something. If you're not 'hardcore' enough to go to a show in caldwell, have fun elsewhere. We'll still be drawing in the best punk/hardcore/metal bands that come through the Northwest, only now we'll be able to offer them bigger guarantees and draw in bigger names. You can go eat dinner at PF Changs and then walk over to see whatever band is playing in a cozy little bar that has less than 100 occ capacity. Actually, the treasure valley is big enough for both. Small, up-and-coming artists can do well playing at smaller places tucked away in corners of downtown, and we'll be playing larger artists who have a regional draw. We'll be doing just fine; thanks for your concern. Johann Claus

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Posted by Johannes Claus on 04/15/2013 at 1:00 PM

Re: “The Venue to Move to Caldwell

@johannes

It's like telling people they should be excited about freeway access to a sewer pond. You know nothing about Caldwell, but you are about to learn.

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Posted by Billy Saffron on 04/14/2013 at 8:48 PM

Re: “The Venue to Move to Caldwell

Have any of you spent any time on the corner of fifth and Elgin in Caldwell, or the neighborhoods surrounding? I grew up there, and I wouldn't go over there if every show was free. You have no idea what you are getting into. I hope you have a lot of money to spend on security and plan on spending a lot of time talking with the police about the problems inside and outside of your venue. It has nothing to do with the drive, and everything to do with the location. Absolutely ridiculous move for these people. They have no idea what they are doing, none.

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Posted by Billy Baroo on 04/14/2013 at 8:42 PM

Re: “The Venue to Move to Caldwell

the problem is Club and bar owners, have no idea how promote or manage their venues.. Most of trust funders who have no worth.. Most the acts that come to boise a sub rate.. And there are no true adult only venus.. with good music.. Boise seems to like bands like black tooth grin..
there is no quality jazz, house music, underground hip hop, venus in boise.. and that sucks.. thus these people think a bigger venue is better... how about being up close and personal to an artist or band... In a nice bar or club. where people understand how to manage, the vibe.. rather than over priced drinks.. kids running around.. and being over packed. Boise has a lot to learn.. no to mention Cops being out in force to tax anyone downtown having fun..

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Posted by househead208 on 04/14/2013 at 1:08 PM

Re: “The Venue to Move to Caldwell

Are sprinklers already installed in the new venue?

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Posted by Stephen on 04/13/2013 at 6:43 PM

Re: “James Orr Rocks With the HERD at Boise Art Museum

you are a dick

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Posted by meyou on 04/12/2013 at 3:17 PM

Re: “James Orr Rocks With the HERD at Boise Art Museum

James Orr is a genius! He is the Chuck Norris of Boise. You should go back to scrubbing your shower tile with a live kitten in each hand, or whatever evil it was that you were up to.

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Posted by SHUSH on 04/12/2013 at 3:13 PM

Re: “The Venue to Move to Caldwell

"I really want to see that band but the drive to Boise is just TOO much for me to handle." Said no Caldwell kid, ever.

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Posted by Brandon Mills on 04/11/2013 at 12:01 PM

Re: “The Venue to Move to Caldwell

Jason Macomber moving away proves the point that the angry white male market is diminishing here...but apparently Tacoma is attracting pissed off Caucasians like crazy.

Good luck to The Venue in Caldwell.

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Posted by dlb on 04/11/2013 at 10:19 AM

Re: “The Venue to Move to Caldwell

Can we agree on one thing? Aren't we ALL glad that Jason Macomber moved to Tacoma?!!? Go Jason!
(-;

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Posted by bikeboy on 04/11/2013 at 8:49 AM

Re: “The Venue to Move to Caldwell

I am so glad I moved from Boise. Go Tacoma, WA. Idaho is a pit. 13 years of sh%$t.

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Posted by Jason Macomber on 04/11/2013 at 8:19 AM

Re: “The Venue to Move to Caldwell

I'll add one more comment about the new location. For someone who lives in NW Boise, Chinden road becomes Highway 20-26 just west of town, and makes a straight line due west to Caldwell, meeting I-84 just one mile from the 10th street exit. I think you'll be surprised that the drive to the new location will only take 20 minutes, about 5 minutes longer than the drive to the far side of downtown Boise. For anyone living near I-84, the Meridian exit is roughly the dividing line: if you live to the west of Meridian road, you'll get to the new location faster than the old. We live east of the Gowen road exit (past Broadway) and we were very surprised that our commute to the new location takes only 30 minutes, due to the immediate proximity of 424 E Elgin to the freeway. That's only ten minutes longer than our present commute down Federal Way to Broadway. The touring bands we've talked to are excited about this new location as it's right off the freeway, and they won't have to navigate with trailers or buses into downtown Boise and the narrow city streets around the old neighborhood. We're confident that once people take this new drive once, they'll realize how quick and easily assessible it really is.

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Posted by Johannes Claus on 04/11/2013 at 8:09 AM

Re: “The Venue to Move to Caldwell

Mr. Gross's article (as well as Mr. Deed's article in the Statesman) did a great job of explaining the reasons for this move, so my comments are just to clarify what has been posted by others. The Boise Weekly is not at fault for the move, and they did not raise our rent. Because of the location within 300 feet of a school (Concordia law) and the cost of putting in fire sprinklers, we could not expand The Venue in its current location. And it needed to expand. As Josh alluded to, the current business model is unsustainable, and we could not continue to fund The Venue's operating costs out of our personal income. For Brian, yes, the angry white male thing was tongue in cheek, part of a larger comment about how Mitt Romney learned what happens when you cater to only one demographic. We're just as excited about opening shows for the Latino community as we are about continuing to put on shows for our existing audience, angry or not. Johann Claus.

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Posted by Johannes Claus on 04/11/2013 at 12:57 AM

Re: “Boise to Shout, 'Hey Marseilles'

LOL! And then I accidentally misnamed the author of the piece. Mea culpa, Andrew.

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Posted by Pumpkin Earring on 04/10/2013 at 2:45 PM

Re: “Boise to Shout, 'Hey Marseilles'

Martin, you've accidentally switched the names of the two artists you're referring to in the band. (This same error is made on Pandora's profile of Hey Marseilles.) The lead singer is Matt Bishop, and the guitarist is Nick Ward.

Posted by Pumpkin Earring on 04/10/2013 at 2:44 PM

Re: “James Orr Rocks With the HERD at Boise Art Museum

James Orr is Not. A. Real. Musician. Looping is not an art. It is a sloppy way to pass free time while contemplating what a sad Hipster life you have. Im sick of seeing his face. He is in the Boise Weekly every issue and quite frankly, isnt even nice to look at.

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Posted by LMFR on 04/10/2013 at 12:11 PM

Re: “The Venue to Move to Caldwell

I'm going to go ahead and man up and use my real name - Brian Rich - since I was quoted in the article, and because I'm not down with anonymous trashing.

I'm going to entertain the idea of driving to Caldwell for the right show because I want to support the Boise music scene. Err, the Treasure Valley music scene. That said, I never drive to the Idaho Center 1. because it's 40 miles from my damn house and 2. because every act there sucks. But that's beside the point, the Idaho Center is a monstrous venue because they bring the mainstream crap that mainstream people enjoy. The same music that so offensively panders to people that it allows places like the Boise Venue to thrive, due to loyalty from the alternative scene.

I always love going to Venue shows for two reasons - first, it's a show I like (60 percent) and second, it's a venue I love (40 percent). No one goes to the Idaho Center because of the culture of the Idaho Center, I can tell you that much. And they don't go there for the acoustics, either (it's as bad as the CenturyLink Arena). They go there because they heard some crap on the radio that costs $30,000 to book live and the only way Idaho can afford those shows is by booking them in the middle of nowhere to avoid costly property taxes and other fees. There's no scene and there's no loyalty. It's for the light beer and pop music. That kind of venue is just as whorish as the music within it.

Places like the Boise Venue are the exact opposite and thrive on being part of a community's fabric. The House of Rock is a great example of this. In the "real" music scene (where musicians actually write and perform their own music), being part of the scene is just as important as the beer or the acts you book. And that's what's really at stake here - the Boise Venue is ripping a hole in the Boise music scene and transplanting itself, hoping it will find its way into a new scene and a new culture. And that's fine, but don't pretend you'll take Boise's alternative scene out to Caldwell with you.

Lastly, I'm going to assume that the "angry white male" comment was a tongue-in-cheek joke (lost in print, as they all are), so I'll let it slide. But as a very happy, 30-year-old married white male who lives in Boise and has been performing at local venues since I took the stage in Bogey's Battle of the Bands at 15, I can tell you this isn't about suburban white teen angst. This is about the music community, and without the Boise Venue downtown, part of it is going to die in a big way -- that is, until someone else replaces you in the Boise community and memories of the Venue start to fade.

Best of luck in Caldwell. I'll see you when Animals as Leaders comes through.

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Posted by BTR on 04/10/2013 at 11:54 AM


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