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Re: “Child Turned Away From West Ada School Over Vaccinations

What are your credentials please? Educating. Researching. Writing. Coaching. What kind of doctor are you? I learned about farming from being a farmer. Your way is not capable of feeding the world as farming does now. Mao had a big idea like that once. Stalin did too. China starved tens of millions. USSR bough grain from our USA farms all during the cold war until they were allowed to import John Deere tractors and feed themselves. Idealism goes splat when it meets the reality of the magnitude of the production needed.

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Posted by Credentials Please on 08/29/2017 at 12:14 AM

Re: “Child Turned Away From West Ada School Over Vaccinations

This entire thing is a PR stunt by the anti-vaccine crowd. They call themselves christian conservatives but let the rest of us pay for their kid's welfare and insurance benefits. Very disappointing the BW fell for it.

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Posted by Obvious on 08/28/2017 at 7:59 PM

Re: “UPDATED: Idaho Secretary of State Fulfills Presidential Election Integrity Commission Voter Roll Request

trump claimed that the system was rigged. he was right. he won.

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Posted by mjt11860 on 08/28/2017 at 6:07 PM

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Anti-racist is code for anti-white. That's all these opposition protestors are. They're not promoting diversity for Asia or Africa, only America and Europe. The term racist was popularized by anti-Christian Leon Trotsky

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Posted by Mike Smith 1 on 08/28/2017 at 2:03 PM

Re: “Child Turned Away From West Ada School Over Vaccinations

I don't think anything I've said has fallen flat. I've provided scientific and historical evidence, and you have refused to acknowledge it. Do you understand anything about immunity, sanitation, nutrition, and the way the immune system works? I've already stated that we can't get health or immunity from a bottle or vaccine, that's just not the way it works. Herd immunity has nothing to do with vaccination, and everything to do with natural exposure to viruses and bacteria. It's basic to immunology. As well, in most of the news reports we read, those coming down with illnesses are the ones who are vaccinated. The inserts on live virus vaccines even talk about shedding, just read them. They are all available online.

Mandatory vaccines should never be enforced for any reason. If it has to be enforced, it's a question that is begged to be asked: why do we have to enforce something that's effective? When we lose sovereignty over our own and our children's bodies, we have lost everything. This is the most insidious form of discrimination and breach of human rights there is. Period.

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Posted by Raine Irving Saunders on 08/27/2017 at 3:34 PM

Re: “Child Turned Away From West Ada School Over Vaccinations

Raine Irving Saunders, your sales pitch has fallen flat. Fold up the vitamin tent and move along. People are healthy and happy living a fairly safe life in the USA because of a health system which used Antibiotics and Vaccines to limit disease.

The outbreaks of all but a few of the nasty bugs still happen in pockets of unvaccinated people. People are still harmed by strep and e coli and salmonella because they take snake oil instead of antibiotic. School started last week. Within two weeks large numbers of local school kids will be sniffing and coughing and barfing because they don't take hand washing seriously. Their parents will bring it to work. Fortunately the illnesses will be mostly inconsequential. However, without vaccines we could see huge outbreaks of killer diseases. 1 in 5 used to die before age 5.

In addition to this strict enforcement at the school systems, vaccines should also be mandatory for any form of welfare to include unemployment and disability. It's time to reach into these oversized families living on government benefits.

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Posted by Beyond the schools on 08/27/2017 at 12:58 PM

Re: “Child Turned Away From West Ada School Over Vaccinations

After a decade of educating about holistic health, writing, coaching and research on sustainable farming and nutrient-dense food, I can say that "modern mechanized farming" has not helped our state of health. Since the industrial revolution, those types of "farming" pratices have harmed environment and bacterial diversity in untold ways. Small-scale, pasture-based farming w/out mono-cropping (planting only one crop in one area), cultivation of bacterial and soil diversity by using integrated farming systems that include animals and plants, and avoiding antibiotics, hormones, pesticides, herbicides, chemical fertilizers, and geneticall-modified organisms are key to ecological, animal, and human wellness. Since my family switched from commercially-produced food to locally, mindfully grown products, our health has changed for the better. I know many others who have experienced this. We don't consult doctors and are rarely sick or unwell. We have an arsenal of natural means with which to regain our wellness if needed.

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Posted by Raine Irving Saunders on 08/27/2017 at 12:01 PM

Re: “Child Turned Away From West Ada School Over Vaccinations

Did anyone here read the scientific evidence, links, and facts I presented here? Because if so, it would be evident that there are ways to heal from disease without drugs and antibiotics. Name calling only shows the ignorance of the person using it. I presented reasonable and valid facts and science. If you aren't willing to read and consider those without presumed righteousness, then there is no discussion. There are ways to heal our bodies without pharmaceuticals, and it should be clear that resistant infections like MRSA are new and have resulted from overuse of antibiotics and other factors which don't support our health.

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Posted by Raine Irving Saunders on 08/27/2017 at 9:54 AM

Re: “Child Turned Away From West Ada School Over Vaccinations

Antibiotics don't "wipe out" only pathogenic bacteria. Antibiotics wipe out ALL bacteria. Drugs don't cure anything. We are not deficient in antibiotics or drugs. What heals our bodies are real food (nutrition), proper sanitation, and optimal managment of disease outcomes. Time and again, people take antibiotics and they become ill in the future with a mutated version of their illness because the body cannot recover properly when all bacteria is eliminated. The only way to heal is with nutrients and friendly bacteria to support the immune system. For decades we've seen reports about antibiotic resistance.
Even though I'm not a fan of mainstream news, even CNN reported about this:…

When you hear folks saying "I took antibiotics and my sore throat went away", for example, you probably don't hear what happened later which is that they came down with another sore throat or something else caused by poor dietary/lifestyle habits and of course, the antibiotics.

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Posted by Raine Irving Saunders on 08/27/2017 at 9:33 AM

Re: “Child Turned Away From West Ada School Over Vaccinations

Also pertinent to note that the same statute (39-4802) gives the Department of Health and Welfare authority to develop rules and administrative requirements in implementing the school immunization statute, including forms. It's quite contradictory for HFI to accept one part of the statute but ignore another part.

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Posted by Heather Vanderweide on 08/27/2017 at 7:36 AM

Re: “Child Turned Away From West Ada School Over Vaccinations

Lets watch california closely. If we claim that vaccines work, unvaccinated children pose no risk. Most educated, freethinking drs should be aware that live vaccines shed and can affect the vaccinated and unvaccinated populations. Why is this? If they work, they should work. But facts are. That vaccinated children should be quarentined until the shedding period and fevers are passed and they cannot compromise the rest of the population. Also, ask for an insert of the box next time you go in for your routine flu shot. Read the fine print if they can even find or know what an insert is. It will list thermerasol. Mercury. Since when is mercury safe to inject into anyone? Child or adult? Alzheimers and dimentia on the rise.

These are the real questions.

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Posted by ACTS 2 NAMPA on 08/26/2017 at 8:49 PM

Re: “Child Turned Away From West Ada School Over Vaccinations



School Name
School Address
City, State, Zip

Attn: School Officials
Re: Statement of Vaccine Exemption

To Whom It May Concern:

Persuant to Idaho Code 39-4802(2) (Title 39, Chapter 48, Section 2, Number 2) and The Privacy Rule of the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) of 1996, 45 CFR Part 160 and Subparts A and E of Part 164, I object to the vaccine reporting requirements and invoke my right to be exempt from the provisions of 39-4801 Idaho Code for personal and family reasons and 'other grounds' in regard to and on behalf of my minor child, (Child's First and Last Name).

This statement supersedes any and all previous forms or statements made in regard to this matter.

(Parent First and Last Name)
Parent /Guardian /Custodian

Idaho Code 39-4802(2):
Any minor child whose parent or guardian has submitted a signed statement to school officials stating their objections on religious or other grounds shall be exempt from the provisions of this chapter.

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Posted by ACTS 2 NAMPA on 08/26/2017 at 8:37 PM

Re: “Child Turned Away From West Ada School Over Vaccinations

Three things/ideas have caused the population of the world to exploded starting at the end of WW-II. 1) widespread antibiotic use, 2) widespread vaccinations, and 3) modern mechanized farming/food distribution. Hand of God nuclear weapons and the resulting long period of global peace also contributed. Look at a population chart to see the arc upward.

As for people demanding others to do the research, suggest you move beyond the YouTube channels selling vitamins and snake oils. Buy a membership to a research library where actual research papers are found. is a good start and it is free. Be sure to read recent peer reviewed papers produced in western countries which have legitimate peer review processes. Access to these library search engines are available for free to people attending major universities.

Vaccines are net benefit by huge margin. No doubt they need improvement. No doubt unvaccinated people are putting others at risk. Diseases cross the globe on nonstop airliners. Uncontrolled immigration, Ebola brought to America a few years ago, and several measles outbreaks recently are great examples to how modern America is now exposed to pathogens which the dummies among us think are not a threat any longer.

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Posted by Where to look on 08/26/2017 at 8:05 PM

Re: “Child Turned Away From West Ada School Over Vaccinations

This statement sums up the knowledge base of these idiots "Scarlet and Typhoid Fever disappeared without any vaccines. Wonder how that happened?"

I'll tell you how that happened you moron, scarlet is caused by group A strep, a bacteria, which we treat with common antibiotics. Typhoid was wiped out by vaccine.

I hope some power protects your children from you, you are thier worst enemy.

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Posted by Jon Dunn on 08/26/2017 at 7:47 PM

Re: “Child Turned Away From West Ada School Over Vaccinations

Anti-stupid people: anyone who cares to do the research can find any of this information out. All the latest research is available online. "Scientists" and "doctors" don't even know anything about vaccines other than that "vaccines prevent illness" and the CDC schedule. Many are admitting they don't learn about immunology, how the ingredients affect the human body, nor are there any studies on the safety of the synergistic effects of the vaccines that are given in multiple doses and that typically children receive multiple mult-dose vaccines in one day. The amount of required vaccines increases every year. If you are 30, 40 or 50 years old, there is no comparison to the amount of vaccines you received and a child of 10, 15 or even 18 years of age received. Do an online search for Dr. Toni Bark, M.D. and Suzanne Humphries, M.D. who can attest that in ther medical training they did not learn any of this information, that it wasn't until treating patients who were vaccine-injured over and over again and later education that they discovered this was what was happening to so many people.

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Posted by Raine Irving Saunders on 08/26/2017 at 4:42 PM

Re: “Child Turned Away From West Ada School Over Vaccinations

The Idaho Code does not require a specific form to exempt from vaccinations (see Idaho Code exact verbiage here: )
Health and Welfare is not a legislative entity and therefore has zero ability to pass a law as to which form must be used. If it isn't a *law* it is not *illegal* to refuse to do it.

Those of you in the comments that wish law to be upheld MUST side with the mother in this case. She knows the law. West Ada apparently does not know the law and, as a result, is acting illegally in attempting to punish parents and students for breaking a law that does not exist.

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Posted by Lisa42 on 08/26/2017 at 3:33 PM

Re: “Child Turned Away From West Ada School Over Vaccinations

Ms. Saunders,

I stand corrected. The personal account of my uncle who contracted polio--then had to learn to walk again, lost years of schooling, and dealt with the aftereffects his whole life--not to mention the histories of the early twentieth century--certainly can't be trusted if there are YouTube videos to the contrary.

Jonas Salk must have been the victim of fake news.

I repeat: had the subject of this article spent even a few minutes listening (and comprehending) in biology class we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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Posted by freethought208 on 08/26/2017 at 1:23 PM

Re: “Child Turned Away From West Ada School Over Vaccinations

Idaho has all 3 vaccine exemptions: Philosophical, Religious and Medical. Pick one.

Religious freedom is an unalienable right that isn't granted by some flunky bureaucrat. It's in the Bill of Rights!

You don't have to let these nitwit bureaucrats know which religion you follow, nor its tenets. It's illegal. That's why it's not a question that can be asked on job applications and interviews. So how can doctors, school nurses, legislators, etc. think they have a right to that discussion. Once you declare it, that's itdiscussion over. Nothing to prove, nothing to question.

From the Federal EEOC: "...employers should avoid questions about an applicant's religious affiliation, such as place of worship, days of worship, and religious holidays and should not ask for references from religious leaders, e.g., minister, rabbi, priest, imam, or pastor."

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Posted by Walter Kryshak on 08/26/2017 at 12:28 PM

Re: “Child Turned Away From West Ada School Over Vaccinations

Raine Irving Saunders, In posts above you mention science as observed on YouTube. Are you a scientist? What are your credentials? Your education? Your scientific experience in vaccine and disease research?

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Posted by Anti-Stupid People on 08/26/2017 at 11:09 AM

Re: “Child Turned Away From West Ada School Over Vaccinations

Yes, people really are this selfish. No open sewers in Minneapolis last I checked.

(Sure looks and sounds the same, name is exact match)

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Posted by Anti-Stupid People on 08/26/2017 at 10:47 AM

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