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Re: “Idaho's Epidemic of Fear: Vaccination Liberation Movement Takes a Shot at Public Health

Health Freedom:

Your questions suggest that you either haven't read my previous posts or that you haven't understood their content.

[Except the theological discussion: I certainly haven't and wouldn't offer my opinion there. I don't even understand why God would create rabies or polio or plague.]

But given that you dismiss all evidence that is contrary to your own beliefs as "junk or pseudoscience" or claim that it has been debunked (apparently by papers you have not read yourself), you'll understand that I'm disinclined to repeat myself again.

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Posted by James Gavin on 01/10/2012 at 4:15 PM

Re: “Idaho's Epidemic of Fear: Vaccination Liberation Movement Takes a Shot at Public Health

Health Freedom:

I do find it quite ironic that you refer to the peer-reviewed articles I have cited from medical journals as 'pseudo and junk science' given that you rely on non-peer-reviewed articles from unreliable sources as your evidence.

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Obviously it is easier to attack the messenger rather than the message, but I do wonder why you believe the articles you've referenced can debunk large scale epidemiological studies?

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However, in one particular area you are quite right, having re-checked I see that I didn't mentioned having only glanced at the list before noticing Dr Offit's name.

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Posted by James Gavin on 01/10/2012 at 3:47 PM

Re: “Idaho's Epidemic of Fear: Vaccination Liberation Movement Takes a Shot at Public Health

Health Freedom:

You stated:

"And speaking of not reading what has been proffered by way of text and/or links, the time stamps here are proof positive that you are hypocritical in your pointing of the finger, as there is no way you could have read all that I proffered before posting your replies."

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This suggests that I was not clear when I explained that I had glanced through the list of studies you copied and pasted.

Allow me to correct that:

I provided references to explain why your assertions were incorrect and misleading.

You stated that all the studies to which I'd linked had been rebutted.

I asked for evidence to support this statement.

You, eventually, provided me with a Gish Gallop of studies.

Just a cursory glance at the list showed Dr Offit's name, so I asked which of these studies actually supported your position - because, as I pointed out earlier, I do only have limited time to search for information and post here.

You directed me to read them all.

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Why do you consider it to be hypocritical of me to expect you to have read the references you cite as evidence?

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Posted by James Gavin on 01/10/2012 at 1:16 PM

Re: “Idaho's Epidemic of Fear: Vaccination Liberation Movement Takes a Shot at Public Health

Health Freedom:

Presumably you are using a Ad Hominem in a novel manner.

But, for the sake of completeness:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/a…

Ad Hominem as it is traditionally applied, is a logical fallacy where a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of, or the person presenting the claim or argument.

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Pointing out that someone has raised the same point multiple times:

For example, suggesting that the mercury in vaccination causes harm.

Despite the fact that this position is not supported by the weight of evidence.

Is not an ad hominem.

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Posted by James Gavin on 01/10/2012 at 12:36 PM

Re: “Idaho's Epidemic of Fear: Vaccination Liberation Movement Takes a Shot at Public Health

Health Freedom:

I see you're sticking with the "I know the answer but I'm not telling you... so I win" approach.

Your repetitions:

1. CDC doctors do bad things therefore the science is wrong
2. CDC, FDA, WHO... corruption
3. CDC lies... and mercury
4. CDC coverup
5. CDC lies... and mercury... and fraud
6. Toxins... and mercury
7. SIDS... and cancer... and toxins
8. CDC coverup... mercury...
9. Autism
10. Toxins
11. CDC Coverup
12. Toxins
13. Wakefield
14. Toxins
15. Vaccines weaken the immune system
16. SIDS... toxins
17. Mercury!
18. Vaccines weaken the immune system
19. Toxins... viruses
20. Germ Theory Denial... and pH
21. Viruses and Germ Theory Denial
22. CDC Coverup... toxins and population control
23. SIDS and too many too soon
24. Toxins especially mercury
25. Drug Companies do bad things therefore the science is wrong
26. Toxins, autism
27. Wakefield
28. Mercury
29. Mercury
30. Vaccines don't work
31. Toxins, Big Pharma does bad things therefore the science is wrong
32. Population control
33. Population control
34. Toxins
35. CDC lies... and mercury
36. Vaccines weaken the immune system
37. Toxins

Posted by James Gavin on 01/10/2012 at 11:53 AM

Re: “Idaho's Epidemic of Fear: Vaccination Liberation Movement Takes a Shot at Public Health

Health Freedom:

Did you forget to add the second sentence in that wikipedia article?

"In this sense, they would be an implicit "shill" for the industry at large, possibly because their income is tied to its prosperity."

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Posted by James Gavin on 01/10/2012 at 11:17 AM

Re: “Idaho's Epidemic of Fear: Vaccination Liberation Movement Takes a Shot at Public Health

Health Freedom:

If you wish to present references to support your position, it is customary for you to have actually read the references (and then explain why they are relevant to your argument).

What you appear to have done is another copy pasta.

For example, how do you think this reference supports your choice not to vaccinate?

Offit PA, Quarles J, Gerber MA et al. Addressing Parent’s Concerns: Do Multiple Vaccines Overwhelm or Weaken the Infant’s Immune System? Pediatrics 2002; 109(1): 124-129. http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/…

"Current studies do not support the hypothesis that multiple vaccines overwhelm, weaken, or “use up” the immune system. On the contrary, young infants have an enormous capacity to respond to multiple vaccines, as well as to the many other challenges present in the environment. By providing protection against a number of bacterial and viral pathogens, vaccines prevent the “weakening” of the immune system and consequent secondary bacterial infections occasionally caused by natural infection."

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Posted by James Gavin on 01/10/2012 at 11:12 AM

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