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There has been no news of David Irving's book tour for more than a week. Has someone given the order not to mention his tour in the press any more? There have been no reviews of his talks and no news about any interruptions by anti-Nazis. No publicity at all.

There has also been no mention of Germar Rudolf in the American press. On July 4th, Rudolf was released from prison in Germany where he had been incarcerated for almost four years for Holocaust denial. Are the anti-Nazis afraid that people might start doing some research on the Holocaust?

Posted by Geseke on 08/12/2009 at 9:48 AM

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David Irving has not been guaranteed a right to free speech. He has been convicted twice of Holocaust denial, once in Germany and once in Austria. The press is not guaranteed the right to cover a private talk and book signing. His speech was not open to the public. Every attendee was checked out first to make sure that they were not going to make trouble. You did not have the right to photograph the attendees without their permission. In order to publish the photos or video that you took, you would have been required to have the attendees sign a release form. These people were not at a public event; they had a right to privacy. You asked Irving a trick question hoping that he would admit that he is an anti-Semite and a neo-Nazi. He was right to bar you from his private talk to his fans.

Posted by Geseke on 07/29/2009 at 9:38 PM

Re: “Nazi Sympathizer David Irving Speaks in Downtown Boise

To Mannstein:

I love eye-witness testimony by survivors. My favorite is from Irene Zisblatt. She has been on the lecture circuit for years, telling junior high school students her story. Here is a quote from a news article about her talk to students at the Rocky Gap High School in March 2009:

"But the most gripping part of Zisblatt’s account came when she told of narrowly escaping the gas chamber.
She said she was selected along with approximately 1,500 other women to be killed. When the prisoners were herded into the gas chamber, though, there wasn’t room for them all.

"Zisblatt said she wound up right in the doorway, clinging to a piece of wood as her fingernails were ripped off causing blood to gush from the tips of her fingers.

"When the door couldn’t be closed with Zisblatt blocking the way, she was flung out of the chamber."

Zisblatt was featured in Steven Spielberg's documentary called "The Last Days." Another survivor in the documentary was Alice Lok Cahana. She was inside the Krema V gas chamber when prisoners at Auschwitz blew up the Krema IV gas chamber. The SS then emptied the Krema V chamber and that's how Alice survived.

Of course, Spielberg did not let these women tell their gas chamber stories in his documentary. He didn't want to become a laughing stock.

Posted by Geseke on 07/27/2009 at 8:30 PM

Re: “Nazi Sympathizer David Irving Speaks in Downtown Boise

To MyNameHere:

I don't believe that the "new generation" is curious or cynical. Since the 1980s, school children in America have been taught about the Holocaust. Most people in the "new generation" have heard a Holocaust survivor speak. Like the two reporters who disrupted Irving's speech in Boise, the new generation knows everything and their minds are made up. They don't care about the facts. When new information about the Holocaust is released, the new generation doesn't care. When a historian like David Irving searches the records and archives for World War II documents for 50 years, the new generation is not impressed. They don't want to hear it. They have already heard a survivor tell about how he or she jumped off the truck taking them to the gas chamber and survived, although 78 members of their immediate family were gassed.

Posted by Geseke on 07/27/2009 at 11:54 AM

Re: “Nazi Sympathizer David Irving Speaks in Downtown Boise

To Mannstein:

The Soviet Union charged the Germans with killing Jews in steam chambers at Treblinka, but this is no longer believed. The diesel engines have been replaced by regular engines in the Treblinka story. The Soviets also entered human soap into evidence at Nuremberg, but not a forensic report on the soap. The Katyn Massacre charge was also made by the Soviets, but the Germans proved at Nuremberg that they had not shot the Polish soldiers whose bodies were found. The Germans took an American POW along with them when they dug up the bodies and he was a witness for the defense at Nuremberg.

The American prosecutors at Nuremberg showed a film in which they claimed that gas came through the shower heads at Dachau. Now the guides at Dachau say that the gas was poured onto the floor of the gas chamber through two bins on the outside wall, which none of the American liberators at Dachau had noticed. Visitors to Dachau can see that the shower heads are not hooked up to gas pipes or water pipes, yet some of the tour guides tell visitors that gas came out of the shower heads.

The American Military Tribunal at Dachau charged the Buchenwald staff with making lampshades out of human skin, but no forensic report on the lampshades was shown at the trial. The forensic report, which was not entered, showed that the lampshades were made of goat skin.

But what does this have to do with David Irving? He is a World War II historian and does not address these issues in his books or talks.

Posted by Geseke on 07/27/2009 at 9:46 AM

Re: “Nazi Sympathizer David Irving Speaks in Downtown Boise

To OftenOutraged:

I assume that you were there and heard Irving's speech, so you know that it was "crap" and "hate stuff." Can you tell us some of what he said that you think is "funny" to believe. I assume that you've read all of Irving's books, so you know that he is not qualified as a historian.

Could you give us some specific details, so we can understand why some people think his talks should be disrupted.

Posted by Geseke on 07/25/2009 at 7:36 PM

Re: “Nazi Sympathizer David Irving Speaks in Downtown Boise

To Boise Thinker:

David Irving does indeed raise Hitler to an "innocent." He first got into trouble when he wrote in a footnote of one of his books that Hitler did not know about the Holocaust until 1943. If he didn't know about it, that means that he didn't order it, and if he didn't order it, that means that there was no state-sponsored systemic plan to kill all the Jews in the world. It was because of this footnote that Deborah Lipstadt wrote that he was the most dangerous Holocaust denier in the world. He sued her for libel and lost; the judge labeled him a Holocaust denier, an anti-Semite and a racist. Irving lost his wealth, his reputation and his standing as the world's leading expert on World War II.

Posted by Geseke on 07/24/2009 at 2:04 PM

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