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Re: “Wolf Advocates Try to Arrest Gov. Otter Over Wolf Killing

Recruitment rates in Rocky Mountain elk (C. e. nelsoni) appear to be declining in Montana and in neighboring states. In Montana’s Hunting District (HD) 292, the ratio of calves per 100 cows apparently declined from 41 in 1988 to 20 in 2001 (Hamlin 2004, Figure 1). Declining calf to cow ratios in elk have also been documented in the Glacier National Park area (Kunkel and Pletscher 1999), Gravelly Mountains in Montana (Hamlin and Ross 2002), Lochsa and South Fork Clearwater areas of Idaho (Zager 2001), and statewide in Colorado (White etal. 2001). This decline in recruitment is of great concern to wildlife managers because recruitment replaces the loss of adults from predators, harvest and other factors (Gratson and Zager 1999,2000) and may lead to decreases in population size.

Managers and some segments of the public are concerned that predators are limiting the recruitment of young in many ungulate populations. Substantial predation rates upon neonate ungulates have been documented in some areas for elk (Smith and Anderson 1996, Singer etal. 1997), mule deer (Odocoileus hemionus, Bishop etal. 2005), white-tailed deer (O. virginianus, Whittaker and Lindzey 1999), caribou (Rangifer tarandus, Valkenburg et al. 2004) and moose (Alces alces, Keech etal. 2000).

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Posted by Rocky Thomas on 09/14/2014 at 4:17 PM

Re: “Wolf Advocates Try to Arrest Gov. Otter Over Wolf Killing

"This is where things things went wrong. Based on the possibility of enforcement problems the entire species Canis lupus was listed as endangered throughout the lower 48 States, except Minnesota, in 1978 (43 Federal Register 9612, march 9, 1978).

Thus Northern Rocky Mountain wolf refers to any gray wolves in the Northern Rocky Mountains of the contiguous 48 states, rather than a specific subspecies." Canis lupus irremotus was reclassified simply as Canis lupus and any gray wolf in the contiguous 48 states was protected under the endangered species act.

The intent may have been to protect all of the remaining subspecies of gray wolf in their natural ranges. In Montana alone there were 424 reports of wolves between 1973 and 1978 of those 109 were rejected as questionable. From 1979 to 1985 there were 38 reports of wolves in Southern Montana from the Big Hole Divide to South of Bannock Pass.

So far we have all gray wolves in the lower 48 protected under the endangered species act and given that protection, the existing subspecies of wolves should have been allowed to recovered in their natural ranges."

I'm simply not buying your line of bunny-hugging B_S_ Pete!

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Posted by Rocky Thomas on 09/14/2014 at 4:10 PM

Re: “Wolf Advocates Try to Arrest Gov. Otter Over Wolf Killing

"Actually Rocky, Wolves and Elk and Deer lived in perfect harmony by the millions before us Greedy Europeans showed up here and decided to play God."

In perfect harmony??? I guess maybe if you were a wolf you'd find it harmonious; I really don't think the deer and elk find a damn thing harmonious about being run down, torn to shreds, and eaten alive by wolves. See if you see any harmony here...

"Since we have been here, we have driven countless animals to extinction. Humans,not wolves."

Species die of extinction on a daily basis, without man's interdiction. It happens; man is not responsible for all the ills in the world. Replacing a threatened species with another species, does not fix shit. The introduction of these Canadian Wolves, was the final straw in the demise of the Northern Rocky Gray Wolf. As for the elk and deer herds, through diligent management by sportsmen, their populations had been returned to levels estimated prior to the European conquest of this country. It took nearly a hundred years to accomplish that. Introduction of wolves has destroyed that in less than 5 years.

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Posted by Rocky Thomas on 09/13/2014 at 2:36 PM

Re: “Wolf Advocates Try to Arrest Gov. Otter Over Wolf Killing

"Lawlessness runs rampant in Idaho, so no wonder no one from IDFG has criticized the governor to his face. "

Much as lawlessness runs rampant in the US Fish and Wildlife agencies that imported Canadian wolves illegally into this country.

"And does the term "work-week" mean anything to you? Clearly not."

Yes, I do work for a living Pete; probably will until the day I die. That changes the fact that only 5 loonies found time to harass the governor for participating in a LEGAL activity, how?

"And yes, this genocide of the wild is illegal, made legal through illegal means and through scare tactics and intimidation... "

So in other words, it is by your opinion "illegal", and damned what anyone else in the world wants, unless they totally agree with your opinion.

The scare tactics and intimidation you mention, that wouldn't be similar to threats of pending litigation supported by fallacious data, used by the bunny hugging crowd to prevent delisting ILLEGALLY INTRODUCED predatory species would it? The wolves in Idaho aren't an endangered species, they're an invasive species. They aren't indigenous to the US, what part of that is it you refuse to admit is correct?

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Posted by Rocky Thomas on 09/13/2014 at 2:07 PM

Re: “Wolf Advocates Try to Arrest Gov. Otter Over Wolf Killing

"And Rocky Thomas, the only ones here who belong in the looney bin are those who advocate this genocide of the wild. Plus, it was during a weekday, when people are at work. Did that ever cross your mind? I'm guessing not. And the wolves were NOT illegally introduced. The way this slaughter was allowed, however, WAS ILLEGAL.."

Actually Pete... the introduction of these wolves was in fact ILLEGAL. They are not indigenous to the US. The US Fish and Wildlife Service, and others involved in this introduction did NOT file the paperwork involved to bring that species across the Canadian border and introduce them here, making it ILLEGAL.

As for it being a weekday, what the hell has that got to do with the fact that only 5 people could tear themselves away to aggravate the governor of Idaho about shooting a wolf? I suppose he was supposed to come to the capital on a weekend to make it more convenient for them to harrass him?? And, obviously "this slaughter" wasn't illegal, or someone with Idaho Game and Fish would have been up there to visit the governor, rather than 5 folks from the looney bin!

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Posted by Rocky Thomas on 09/12/2014 at 6:38 PM

Re: “Wolf Advocates Try to Arrest Gov. Otter Over Wolf Killing

"Hunters, did not reintroduce wolves!!!
And, they were not reintroduced, to be hunted...
There is no need for argument or debate, with people who chose not to educate themselves or apply it!!!!"

Actually Michelle you need to educate yourself. Hunters did reintroduce the wolf. The funds used in the reintroduction of wolves in the NW states were derived through the Pittman-Robertson act. Funds derived from sales of sporting goods sold explicitly to HUNTERS. Pittman-Robertson very clearly states that those funds MUST be used to expand hunting opportunities.

The no-minds that elected to use those funds, thinking it was a wonderful way to deprive hunters of their opportunity to hunt, overlooked that little catch. Unfortunately, it has come back to bite them in the backside, and now people like you want to suggest we shouldn’t be allowed to hunt wolves. We should let them multiply until they eat everything walking in the woods, and show up in our backyards, looking for desert!

You are right, there is no need for argument or debate with people who chose not to educate themselves, so I’m debating the matter, I’m simply suggesting you do your homework before suggesting hunters are uneducated again.

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Posted by Rocky Thomas on 09/12/2014 at 6:18 PM

Re: “Wolf Advocates Try to Arrest Gov. Otter Over Wolf Killing

Dang!!! Pepople from five states came together to show their support for the wolves, and arrest the governor of Idaho for partaking in a totally legal recreational activity, and the sum total of support shown from 5 states, was 5 people.

Sounds to me like someone left the door unlocked at the local looney bin, or there just simply isn't a whole helluva lot of support for these wolves that were ILLEGALLY INTRODUCED to the United States. These people really need to go home and get a life.

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Posted by Rocky Thomas on 09/12/2014 at 12:12 AM

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