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Re: “Idaho's Epidemic of Fear: Vaccination Liberation Movement Takes a Shot at Public Health

Mr. Gavin,

I do have better things to do with my time and can better serve in the capacity of helping others here in my community rather than posting back and forth on this little comment board. It really is taking up too much of my time and since I found some answers to my question on if and how vaccines may contribute to diabetes, (wish you would have had canned answers for that in your point and click debunking bag of tricks. You know, the http://contrailscience.com/about/ and the http://metabunk.org/content/, I would have had my answers days ago.), I do have to get to my work at hand.

I must say though some of your scientific studies and evidence you've presented here have been interesting to say the least. Take that site you refer to, the http://contrailscience.com/about/ when debunking chemtrails. Now here is a site built by a guy named Mick West that clearly explains that no one need worry about anything falling from the sky from airplanes. I know I'll sleep much better.

Now for those of you that don't know, Mick, let me introduce you. Here's Mick, he's had private pilot training, and by golly he worked up to long distance solo certification and has actually flown a 150 miles by HIMSELF. He's been training out of the Santa Monica airport, so he knows the airspace round there so must be highly qualified in aerosol spraying, weather modification and other stuff like that. Now old Mick, he likes writing, and figuring stuff out. He's been writing about contrails and the "chemtrail" theory since 2007.

Yes, old Mick, he's a good boy really, he's not a scientist or meteorologist, he's just a guy, another unpaid guy. You can read his full bio here:
.http://contrailscience.com/about/

Laughter is SUCH good medicine. I apologize Mr. Gavin for my arrogance, humor stupidity or what ever you may perceive it to be or want to label me this time. I am sleepy and maybe some things just strike me as being funny. Good night Mr. Gavin, I do hope you sleep well too.

P.S. As to your request in your latest post:

"Vickie Barker:

Having cited the CCSP SAP 2.3 report as evidence to support your belief in chemtrails, I would once again ask you to point out which parts of this document you feel are relevant."

The ENTIRE document is relevant Mr. Gavin.


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Posted by Vickie Barker on 01/04/2012 at 4:57 AM

Re: “Idaho's Epidemic of Fear: Vaccination Liberation Movement Takes a Shot at Public Health

I don't really care much what they look like to you Mr. Gavin. I'm not your secretary, I suggest you look them up and read them, the ones that might interest you in the least.

I do know enough about being a parent and a human to know if I want to get something done I need to be the one to do the work or to at least review it to see it is done properly. I appreciate these doctors, scientists and all those that prepared these documents. They are the ones that have already done the work, now it is only up to me if I want to learn or not. I chose to learn many years ago for various reasons of my own. You are free to do the same (or not).

For me, I try to look at both sides of the coin, so to speak. I posted the list of resources for those that want to have a broader base of information from which to draw their own personal conclusion. I wish I'd had someone share available information with me before I made some life changing decisions in the past, but that's life right?

Slow at getting through these posts sometimes, because I do check out the links you provide. Funny but now I do see why you were so quick to discredit some websites on here. Someone here on the comment board had made reference to information on a www.whale.to.com site. You were very quick to discredit the www.whale.to.com site. I was going through the site to see what sort of site it was and found this page: ( I believe Brian Deer actually has a post on this comment board somewhere) http://www.whale.to/a/keeping.html

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Posted by Vickie Barker on 01/04/2012 at 4:11 AM

Re: “Idaho's Epidemic of Fear: Vaccination Liberation Movement Takes a Shot at Public Health

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Posted by Vickie Barker on 01/04/2012 at 2:38 AM

Re: “Idaho's Epidemic of Fear: Vaccination Liberation Movement Takes a Shot at Public Health

Well, all you conspiracy theorists out there, get your tin hats on. Best be tin hats and not aluminum foil hats either, because in my personal opinion I think we've all just about had our fill of aluminum.

Geoengineering Schemes Section of the ADC Website

http://www.agriculturedefensecoalition.org…

Many of us on this comment board as you can see have done their own due diligence in not only looking at scientific studies and have had some sort of personal experience but also have employed at least some logic and common sense to the problems facing families in the US and in fact around the world. I've certainly seen enough here to inspire myself to continue in the world of discovery when I personally realized that Mr. Gavin and Mikey here are of the same notion as those making medical decisions for our family members. The studies they provided in their links are what medical doctors are using to base their decisions on when treating you and your family. All I ask is that visitors actually read the "scientific evidence" being provided here by Mr. Gavin and Mikey and I believe you will come to the same conclusions and have the same questions that I do.

I believe a few posts ago the idea of "chemtrails" was debunked (think that is the right word) I apologize, am a bit rushed here for a few days. Contrails, chemtrails, weather modification, geoengineering, funny clouds in the sky, what ever you want to call them (a rose by any other name is STILL a rose) the point is that "something is there" or is there? Now as was debunked by Mr. Gavin's scientific evidence I believe "they don't exist" right? Let's see, here is the debunk help page for con vs chem trails "cheat sheet" or "crib notes" which Mr. Gavin uses. Just to be fair we want to be sure readers get both sides of the story.

Mr. Gavin's Evidence: http://contrailscience.com/how-to-debunk-c…

Now, I refer you to the evidence provided by the Agriculture Defense Coalition (ADC). There are quite a few links to the evidence and will take some time reading, but is well worth it.

ADC's Evidence: http://www.agriculturedefensecoalition.org…

There are people helping to solve this major problem, but it may not be before humans are on toxic overload. (and just maybe they already are) Hence, the vaccination scheduling of children that may have had more exposure than others could be the straw that breaks the camels back so to speak for those little bodies. Just saying, it is people's right to know ALL sides of the story.

http://www.agriculturedefensecoalition.org…

Parent's have to make up their own minds, who better knows the child than the parent. I believe that the majority, and I mean maybe 99% at least of the majority love their children and would most certainly only want what is best for them. If a body is working at optimum levels I suppose it should be able to handle most anything except for maybe getting run over by a bus etc. But What If that body is already compromised with a weakened immune system? What if that body were not working quite at optimum levels for whatever reason? Look UP!

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Posted by Vickie Barker on 01/03/2012 at 11:14 PM

Re: “Idaho's Epidemic of Fear: Vaccination Liberation Movement Takes a Shot at Public Health

Mr. Gavin you are not getting caught up in Mr. Schmitt's "conspiracy theories" and have not indeed reviewed the U.S. Climate Change Science Program Synthesis and Assessment Product 2.3 report from 2009?

http://www.expozium.com/chemtrails-sap2-3-

It would be sad to say that this much money is going in to what is called a "hoax" as you would like to call it. The following agencies have been funded for the work they do, Climate Change Science Program, Director for Research, Earth Science Division, National Aeronautics and Space Administration, Laboratory for Atmospheres, Goddard Space Flight Center,Synthesis and Assessment Product Advisory Group, National Center for Environmental Assessment, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, NASA and the DOE. What basically are you saying here? These committees did not work on this project? Have these people actually lied about what they are doing? Where did the money go then?

Mr. Gavin the links you provided are out-dated. The Advisory Committee on Pesticides from 2005, The Science and the Issues Surrounding Contrails provides info only to 2003 and even the references in the little Air Force presentation has nothing more current that 2000. Please, there is not even any information as to who published the articles with all the great pictures. To be perfectly honest, these pages appear to be done by children or at least someone that is just learning how to build a webpage.

Wake up and look up, you live in this world too under the same skies. Can't be that hard to figure out especially when we have so many educated (and well funded) people working on the weatherization program. A lot of progress can be made in 7 years Mr. Gavin.

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Posted by Vickie Barker on 01/02/2012 at 9:35 AM

Re: “Idaho's Epidemic of Fear: Vaccination Liberation Movement Takes a Shot at Public Health

Mr. Schmitt, I am not so sure about your continued use of "conspiracy theory" maybe there is a bit of phobia there, but in your statement below "just think of conspiracy theories regarding water fluoridation, "contrails","

I do have concern over fluoridation, but "contrails" are just a natural exhaust from aircraft. What you must have intended to say was "chemtrails" right? I seem to lean more in using the terms GeoEngineering and Aerosol Spraying that is being done for weather modification purposes among other things. Following is a report on that very thing and it may serve you well to read the report and maybe contact some of the FEDERAL EXECUTIVE TEAM members.

U.S. Climate Change Science Program Synthesis and Assessment Product 2.3

http://www.expozium.com/chemtrails-sap2-3-…

Director, Climate Change Science Program: ...William J. Brennan
Director, Climate Change Science Program Office: ... Peter A. Schultz
Lead Agency Principal Representative to CCSP,
Associate Director for Research, Earth Science Division,
National Aeronautics and Space Administration: ...Jack Kaye
Lead Agency Point of Contact, Earth Science Division,
National Aeronautics and Space Administration: ...Hal Maring
Product Lead, Laboratory for Atmospheres,
Earth Science Division, Goddard Space Flight Center,
National Aeronautics and Space Administration: ... Mian Chin
Chair, Synthesis and Assessment Product Advisory Group
Associate Director, National Center for Environmental
Assessment, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency: ...Michael W. Slimak
Synthesis and Assessment Product Coordinator,
Climate Change Science Program Office:... Fabien J.G. Laurier

Atmospheric Aerosol Properties and Climate Impacts Report itself was put together by the Editors from NASA, Mian Chin and Ralph A. Kahn with help from Stephen E. Schwartz from the DOE

To catch you up to date with the aerosol spraying Mr. Schmitt, I'm sure if you contact any of those mentioned above they will be more than happy to share additional information with you.

What I find interesting but more so, frightening, is that on the subcommitte although there was one Allen Dearry representing the Department of Health and Human Services, the report does not in fact address the impact on health of humans, animals or even plants. In this entire report "health" is only mentioned once on page 12 in chapter 1.2 where it states:
"The Climate Effects of Aerosols -
Aerosols exert a variety of impacts on the
environment. Aerosols (sometimes referred to
particulate matter or “PM,” especially in air
quality applications), when concentrated near
the surface, have long been recognized as affecting
pulmonary function and other aspects
of human health. Sulfate and nitrate aerosols
play a role in acidifying the surface downwind
of gaseous sulfur and odd nitrogen sources.".

If you happen to be Michael P. Schmitt, the Principal Investigator for Biomarkers of Vaccine Safety and Efficiency who works for the FDA I would hope consideration is given to the amount of additional aluminum, sulpher, barium, strontium etc which is already being absorbed, ingested and inhaled by these small bodies from the aerosol projects in thei r specific areas. Again I say, for safety sake, that when it comes to vaccines, one size could not possibly fit all. Aluminum for one, as you must know as a biochemist is a very hard element to remove from the body.

Here in the area where I am living in California for instance, there is a great amount of these elements falling out of the sky in the air, into our water and our soil.

http://expozium.com/chemtrails_redding.htm…

There is plenty of information available for families that would like to better understand how the external environment is changing. Living in an ever changing external environment most definitely effects our internal environments. The following video explains this VERY well.

http://www.expozium.com/destroying_the_atm…

Even the famous Louis Pasteur said: "The terrain is everything".

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Posted by Vickie Barker on 01/02/2012 at 7:24 AM

Re: “Idaho's Epidemic of Fear: Vaccination Liberation Movement Takes a Shot at Public Health

@Idaho Spud

Can't believe you asked that, just today I was reading some of the reference links on this comment board and filed so much away for later use. In the midst of it all, as one answer seems to lead to the next question I did in fact read more on human embryos stem cell for the chicken pox vaccine. I don't think it was making reference to the speech by the Pres, but will see if we can find the source.

Have to run out for the evening so if anyone has easy access to the info for Idaho Spud, don't wait for me. :) Post it....(I found some great research reports on diabetes being linked to vaccines today, will share when I get back. That was my primary question here and it seems there are others having the same question and hopefully they will have some answers for us too)

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Posted by Vickie Barker on 01/01/2012 at 8:31 PM

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